when mandela died just over 11 years ago. everything about nelson mandela is the stuff of legend.e had captured the world's imagination, though he was invisible to the world for more than 27 years behind bars. and he held on to our imaginations. and his death will not break that special hold. here's former south african president f.w. de klerk, who started talking to mandela about ending apartheid before even releasing him from prison. do you remember the first time you met him? >> i remember it very well. he was brought under cover of darkness to my office from the victor verster prison. we did not discuss that evening anything of of fundamental importance. we were just feeling each other out and realized that this is a very special man. he had an aura around him. he still has an aura around him. he's truly a very dignified and a very admirable person. >> i have a lot of respect for mr. de klerk, but even if i did not respect him, history has thrown us together in one country. i cannot ignore him. he would ignore me at his risk. >> but in the fullness. >> of time, perhaps memorie

and it is on the buck of that argument that on the west is a way, was then found which nelson mandela. let me go into is we're meeting this theater of the nation. we'd became the leading of the african national congress and monday and i was legacy begins to emerge in a very unique way. at that particular time. when he leaves glucagon, the west is away and they begin to us up up up tide installations within the country that we know of south africa. and ultimately they address that. they have quite a number of them, but the most famous that i risk that at that time is notes on monday lines of go funding back. he had made a customer, ida, and was this is sulu and one of the biggest trials that ever took place in south africa is 34 in the trial. that is when monday last finds out in his defense, he is shows the statement you speak for 3 hours. any defense on issue is the statement at the end of it that this is the cost for which i am prepared to die. that is the struggle. a case of a tide, he tapped the view that the opposite side must be destroyed and that we must have a south africa wel

you know that the, to the composition of nelson mandela, that's how in your area then creates us cool for then see sullivan. i'm along with school, which was in the middle. go to in, in times and yeah. so the negotiations go on. but no one, there lies very impatient because the why so you are dealing with in south africa and not you. a typical learning is who you will tell to go to brief and you will tell to go to friends used to go to portugal. they are saying, this is our last and we have going nowhere. how are you going to deal with them because they own almost 80 percent of them on the indians also own own, almost 10 percent of the land. they also come the only have a short time. tide is how monday and then picks the view that what we need to do is to give meaning to what is cool. my said, cpa fos, the political kingdom and the rest will come and it is to that that he says, let's as remove the output tied resume 1st. once we remove the appetite regime and we have the vote on via in power, that is when we, i will begin to talk about line. i do see the negotiations at the time when

of course, that that's a case for violence clearly, i mean, i've interviewed nelson mandela, mandela clearly supported against the views of the south african communist party, the killing of civilians and restaurants. what do you think the impact of your book is for as do they live in israel? a, in the, in the sense that violence must be part of the struggle. if indeed it can be compared, right. i like that. i forgot. i think that there is a very important distinction between violence against military targets and, and violence against civilians. i think that's a very important distinction in international law. i think it's a very important moral distinction. is that why do you think of mandela was successful in the i already was successful in mondale of mando adults. i'm adela and amc actually worked quite hard to maintain that distinction even going so far as apologizing for attacks against the villian sites. but pat african has congress and other the and seized arrivals were more open to, to, to attacks on civilians. but i think one of the things that the and see does, there's a lot

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. >> nelson mandela was a political prisoner.ical prisoners have no due process and are unjustly jailed. you had a jury convict you. you had appeals courts. look at your your sentencing and you even try. you even appeal to the supreme court twice. and they refused to hear you. so you're hardly a political prisoner. >> well, first of all, nelson mandela went to before a court. he was convicted in, in in a court of law. i had nearly eight years to read. >> books by a racist apartheid government. >> that's correct. >> and not a virtue. >> if you were to ask him. and i bet you if you were to ask nelson mandela whether he thought the process was fair back in the early 60s in south africa, he would say, what i'm saying today, i didn't know how corrupt the criminal justice system was until it did it to me. and that was a wake up call. >> well, the president, the interview went on for a long time. the president tonight called him, quote, a very fine person. so now he's pardoned. a short time later, cnn obtained a memo sent by acting depu

nelson mandela probably gave me more help to manage the to drive me from office and second term than anybody. we just became friends and we liked each other. and i ask him questions and so. i was going through a fairly tough time and i said you know mandela you're a great man and all that you're also a shrewd and it was really smart to put your jailers in your inauguration, put the people they work for and you. but me. the truth when you walking to freedom, didn't you hate them over again? and many blink you said. i absolutely did for about a second. and then i realized if i still hated them. i would still be their prisoner. and i wanted to be free. and so let it go. and he said, so should you. wow. and then i. i ask him. we started talking about about sacrifice and loss. and he said, i said, when did you quit might people who did to you said, i've been little more than half way in my 27 years and confined. he said i was 14 years in and i was breaking rocks and god was in great shape. i was stronger than ox. i was furious and i said, look what they did to me. they abused me, abused m

we also recognize nelson mandela. the south african activist was released from prison after serving 27 years behind bars marking a significant moment in black history. and in 2012, the actress and singer known for her soaring voice whitney houston died at the age of >> 10, 26 is the time. still ahead on the kron 4 morning news. it's getting harder to purchase exit in california. we're going to tell you how that's going to be impacting you at the grocery store. i'm trevor shirley in washington. president donald trump is planning new tariffs for aluminum and steel imports as countries around the world threaten their own retaliatory tariffs in response. >> 10 29 and it is cold. plus, we've got rain on the way. not today. not today, but lost to talk about. hey, john, good morning. and yes, we do definitely a switch up for the rest of the week this week so far has been nice and dry. but today you're starting to see a few more clouds in there. although daytime hours will remain nice and dry today as well. looking outside at

we also recognize nelson mandela.as released from prison after serving 27 years behind bars marking a significant moment in black history. and in 2012, the actress and singer known for her soaring voice whitney houston died at the age of 48. >> a bay area dance or was on stage performing with rapper kendrick lamar during the super bowl. his name is gary morgan. but he's also known as ice cold 3,000. he's part of an oakland dance crew and morgan described experience as surreal. >> this came from the world doing the halftime show, kendrick lamar man. it was really amazing out there, man. and i couldn't actually no other kind of experience like that. i think the thing that really shocked me more was environment atmosphere like crowd light. >> all that. i think that was that's what made it even better for him. >> morgan has been featured in other projects with kendrick but says being able to perform alongside him during black history month makes the experience even more unique. and kendrick lamar is bringing his grand nat

in oscar's home, there's almost an entire shelf of mandela biographies. and oscar reads them.uy. he's a literate person. keith morrison: but just before those triumphant olympics, sokolove witnessed a disturbance in oscar's life. he broke up with his longtime girlfriend, samantha taylor. here's a selfie oscar took of the two of them in happier times. olympics came first, he told samantha. he was too focused, too intent on this goal. and he didn't feel that it was something he could maintain and he broke it off with her. keith morrison: after the olympics, by then a world celebrity, oscar flew to the seychelles to tape an episode of the south african talk show called "top billing." oscar's companion on this september trip was samantha taylor, his old girlfriend, the one he broke up with before the olympics. it certainly looked here as if oscar had patched things up with her now. it makes my life a lot easier spending time with someone that's-- you're very caring, and-- you're both blushing. my face is the color of her dress. keith morrison: at home, of course, oscar was an item

university, and joins us now from nelson mandela bay in south africa. thank you so much for being here with us. really appreciate it. so just to start, according to government statistics, white south africans make up a little over 7% of the population. but they own more than 70% of all privately owned farmland in the country. now, this is an issue, obviously, that south africa has been grappling with all these decades since the end of apartheid. so first, just on the facts around what this law allows the government and many legal experts say it doesn't allow the government just to to grab land from white farmers the way, let's say, zimbabwe did under mugabe. so explain how this is different. >> good morning to you and your viewers. so south africa has a law for expropriation dating as far back as 1975. what has just happened in this month was the signing into law of an updated version of the expropriation act, introducing a concept of expropriation without compensation. now the act has got 81. references to compensation. three of those are delegated are

nelson mandela, the palestine, martin luther king and climate change old jostled for space here after a few yards of no man's land, the graffiti is very different. you'll see that the fetish army and the british pound par celebry, elizabeth said the loyalists are a minority on the island of ireland. changing demographics means though, soon to be a minority in northern ireland to the artwork on this side is inward looking. it captures a siege mentality. a solid support is a fire or a flags news, media flags, renters matches. so the consequence here it's keidel and then block allows go elsewhere. football is seen as consulting war by trucks. with one celtic and ranges, clash, glasgow streets can see like a battle ground, the turf war sometimes breaks out on the pitch too. since the scottish leads begun in 1891, these 2 teams have won it over a 100 times between them. animosity has made this dog be one of the fiercest in world football at queens university and bo fast. the 2 tribes are seen in a deeper historical context of football is the last preserve was the expression of those 19th c

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for was a political analyst and formed a member of parliament for the amc on the president, nelson mandela. welcome to you, will melanie? let's start with you. is humanitarian aid being with an i isd by the trump administration? oh yes, clearly it is because, you know, we are a sovereign nation. we are a democratic nation and we have to ride shortly to determine some of our domestic conferences. but what makes us even more troubling is the fact that it's concrete table based on voltage. and, and it's completely arbitrary, and there has been no expropriation of land in south africa since 1994. of course there was lots got reformed expropriation from colonial times. and under a package there has been 0, compensate postal code, any form of expropriation or profit, climbed in south africa since 1994. and it would have been one of the most popular things for the end to government to have done more if they wanted to. but they didn't, they chose not to. so it is just completely an attorney falls and i'm sure some of the other kids will show it to today to you as well. it isn't completely in line

city a very good to have you with us a deputy minister and is 35 years since the release of nelson mandela for prison. and the fight against apartheid was one of the motivations behind south africa. bringing its case of genocide against israel at the international court of justice were several months on. and we now have a situation that we'd be seeing pictures of in garza, we've got over $47000.00 palestinians that some say many more than that. did that move by south africa at the international court of justice achieve what you told? well, um i think it there shop the compose a, a pedigree of consciousness on the side of the state. um that it is subject to international law. uh that uh your most prominent us in dicey jay are actually applying their minds to our prayers that we have supplement that on balance is dependence time people. uh and secondly, at all it a half threes, and inside the t a monks the pod, the states some of which are very prominent by the total part. this of is that in relation to a weapon, funds for ended heinsman of these are highly military machinery. so it does thi

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is it a myth or fact whether the presidents try to poison and the second question, when nelson mandela visited from south africa did he stay in one of the white house guest rooms? that's my two questions. thank you. >> a myth or fact that presidents at some point in history there was an attempted poisoning? >> not aware of that happening in the white house. very special care is taken to everything the president will consume or be offered. it would be very surprising to me that anything would be within the realm of possibility there. >> do you know about nelson mandela? >> i don't know the answer to that. one of the things i love about my job is we are in educational organizations, we teach and tell the stories but i also like to learn. i could work here the rest of my life and learn something new every single day. gives me something to find out now. >> andrew in baltimore watching us. >> caller: my grandfather was a fairly respected person back in the day and helped to build the swimming pool at the white house and i understand it is under the press room. is it still there? >> it is st

>> robert: mandela was a hero to me.olice, the guys at capitol police. [applause] metropolitan police. michael fenone, harry dunn, daniel hodges, everybody else who was involved in effective and hurt by that. >> stephen: can you imagine being capitol police down watching those people march in past you who want to deny that you served them that day? >> robert: yeah. it's something. [laughter] >> stephen: your buddy martin scorsese uses music a lot when he's directing. he's thinking about the music. saying something, write this song down. he knows when he edited he might want that song to be associated with that scene. do you use music to get into character? >> robert: no. i can. sometimes i use music to feel certain way. >> stephen: do you do an animal spine? she skis easily beneath the ceiling of stars. do you do any of that local stuff? >> robert: that's interesting. maybe i'll try that. >> stephen: just say some of my acting is from stephen colbert. >> robert: i did something when i had to cry and i did a commercial --

nelson mandela was a political prisoner. political prisoners have no due process. prison and spent nearly eight years in prison for practicing politics, for seeking campaign contributions without a quid pro quo. you do have an obligation to at least admit what you did wrong, and you refuse to do that, and you're creating a whole new alternate universe of facts, and that may be big in politics today, but it's still, frankly, just bullshit. a reporter, uh, asked you if you wanted to say sorry to the people of illinois, and you said, "sorry for what?" -do you still feel that way? -very much so. i've done a lot wrong. criminal? none. you and your defenders argue that the persecution, prosecution of you is about the criminalization of politics. in other words, there is horse-trading that goes on in politics. "you do me this favor. i'll do you this favor," and that's all you were doing, and that it's legal, but they made it out to be illegal. well, first of all, it's not illegal. now you can argue whether we should improve our laws. that's a valid thing. i would think th

recalling the words of nelson mandela, the founder of the elders, "the most powerful weapon in the world sit down and talk." the solutions we need to confront the existential threats we face are all connected by a simple truth -- we can only succeed if we act as one. it is with great sadness that just a few weeks ago we said farewell to a true champion of this ideal -- president jimmy carter. a founding member of the elders. president carter was driven by a profound moral clarity so sorely missing among many leaders today. and in the weeks since i attended his funeral here in washington, i have often been reminded of his words. "the bond of our common humanity is stronger than the divisiveness of our fears and prejudices." to translate this admission into a concrete reality, we need leadership that addresses even the most difficult and unpopular issues. not for short-term political gain, but for humanity's shared future. there is still time to make the right choices to turn back the hands of the doomsday clock. in colombia we say, "cada segundo cuenta." "every second counts." let us use

grand in mandela.after hours climb. we're doing raffles games. we're also premiering a documentary that i was a part of with some of our folks from blackrock, some folks from marin, just talking about getting black folks into the sport. they went out with us to ice climb. that's another thing we do. ice colorado. yes, yes, yes, sir. you know, we you know, we do more than. >> more than just rock climbing. wow, gentlemen. and that happens this weekend. how do people find out more about. >> it this weekend? you can look on our instagram black rock collective or ning's page negus in nature. that'll be from 5 to 7 as part of the black joy experience. >> black brown, black joy this weekend. a lot of people can be out there. all right, philip lang and leanne brown, thank you all so much for joining us and providing insight into a sport many people may not have thought about as something to get into, so we appreciate it. >> yeah. we're going to climb this morning. come with us. >> yeah. let's go. i'm working.