and i presented it to mandella. and i said, you know what, we're saying, and i felt a little bit uncomfortable saying it as an american. i said we can't have an election about apartheid. do the agency has been fighting apartheid for all these decades that he has been in jail for 27 years for fighting apartheid and i think who am i to say to him that you can't have an election about apartheid. now, i'm saying this because i am listening to people. i'm listening to a vast mass of africans who say we don't want this stuff, apartheid. we want to be about what the changes you're going to bring what you come in. what's going to be better? it's not just about segregation or just for blacks to be in power. we need a lot to be better. and more inclusive, everybody sharing. so he got it. and he listened. and he then became the of lecturing everybody else to move to this new place. >> host: i love these stories. i had to grit my teeth through some of this book if you are a liberal, it's clear in his. but i think you have in th