and you may recall that lord mandelson gave evidence about that. mr. brown hasn't addressed that, and i think he ought to be given the opportunity, or at least we would like to know what he says about it. >> do you want to put what lord happened lson said? have you got it at hand? >> yes, i have. >> then by all -- let mr. be brown respond. [laughter] >> anybody else who wants their questions as well? i don't know. >> no, no. [laughter] >> the position is, mr. brown, that the system permits core apartments to put -- participants to put questions through counsel and mr. jay, i think several times, has said i've been asked to ask this question. and that's how he's dope it. but if he declines to put a question, then the core participants are entitled to ask me for permission to ask the question. and i think, as i know what's coming, i don't think this is going to be -- i don't know what's coming, but i'm happy to take the question. >> mr. brown, my name's roger davis. i appear for news international. >> yeah. >> i think you're probably familiar with this,

. >> lord mandelson, h. 461, states describing mr. mcbride as your attack dog, develop a reputation for briefing against anyone who is perceived to threaten his boss interest, not only the tory opposition but those of the blair ride persuasion the is mandelson correct or incorrect because this is what i mean about it or tactic at the rumor, innuendo, people say something about something else. i don't know the truth of all these things. but what i can say is that the people that work for me were under specific guidance about what they have to and i think that's an important point in this. with their world there, were they reserved -- absurd. the person had to go. >> he also notes a conversation he said he had with you in october 2008 when you invited him back into government what he specifically raise the issue of gaining the bride with you, and reach what he thought was clear understanding that he would be transferred to the cabinet office, a steppingstone. is lord mandelson's recognition -- [inaudible] >> i don't think there's any do

please welcome from london, england, lord peter mandelson.[applause] now before i call the debaters for their opening statements, i need to involved you, the audience. first i want to ask everyone to do something in this hall which is usually revoked in an auditorium such as this, which is tower up your smartphones. for the duration of tonight's debate can weigh in on the proceedings by tweeting to our hashtag, at monk europe. you can also follow the ensuing conversation at monk debate so again we want you to be involved in the debate with the audience around the world who is watching on line. we also have two vip twitterers who are coming in with large twitter followings that are ian bremer who appeared on the stage last fall. he is the founder and president of eurasia group, best-selling author and the second vip blogger will be tweeting tonight is. he is 50,000 plus followers on twitter. he is a veritable justin bieber for global finance and we welcome him tonight via twitter. we are going to have their handles now up on the screen so if y

let's not make this personal. >> i don't agree with that argument. >> lord mandelson, you have the final word here. >> what i was trying to say was that -- what i'm trying to do is give you credence to the argument that somehow we have achieved free trade across a 500 million strong market in the european union without anyone doing anything about it. i mean, how do you think we came to create this market? it didn't happen by accident. it happened by political design. it's been built up over 60 years and culminated in the creation finally of the single market in the late '80s and the early '90s. and by the way, the architect was the then commissioner in brussels and during the course of the 1980s, thank you for all your sneering remarks about the british in europe. but the point i'm making, yosef, is -- or the question i want to put to you is would you rather see this fall apart? would you rather dismantle it? would you rather see a single market cease to exist? because if you do, if you want to end what you call the european experiment, as you claim to do, i would then have to put it bac

and you may recall that lord mandelson gave evidence about that. mr. brown hasn't addressed that, and i think he ought to be given the opportunity, or at least we would like to know what he says about it. >> do you want to put what lord happened lson said? have you got it at hand? >> yes, i have. >> then by all -- let mr. be brown respond. [laughter] >> anybody else who wants their questions as well? i don't know. >> no, no. [laughter] >> the position is, mr. brown, that the system permits core apartments to put -- participants to put questions through counsel and mr. jay, i think several times, has said i've been asked to ask this question. and that's how he's dope it. but if he declines to put a question, then the core participants are entitled to ask me for permission to ask the question. and i think, as i know what's coming, i don't think this is going to be -- i don't know what's coming, but i'm happy to take the question. >> mr. brown, my name's roger davis. i appear for news international. >> yeah. >> i think you're probably familiar with this,

. >> you've got 25 seconds left and then back to lord mandelson. continue with your argument. don't debate the process. >> i debate the process because it's not fair. if it's not fair, debate the process. >> ladies and gentlemen, who do you want to hear? peter now? okay, here we go. peter. >> i said at the beginning, you know, i talked like a minister, but you talked from the heart. i think he's been brilliant. i love it. >> what do you want me to say? >> talk from the head for a change. we could try that. >> i'm sorry? gentlemen, let's elevate the discussion a bit. peter, i'm going to give you the remaining moments. >> i'd rather hear from the audience because i think that their questions and the issues they raise will be somewhat more interesting for me to address than some of those i've had from the people. >> anything else you'd like to before i go to questions? >> it's simple. what you heard from the argument is that in order to sort out the crisis, europe has to take the next step. it has to take the next step to some central control of fiscal decisions at the national l

people don't speak out about it because they're afraid to, which chimes with what lord mandelson said in july of 2011, we were cowed. is it as high as that? >> i think you certainly do fear the power being directed at you. the way i will put this, though, is as follows. i studied carefully what peter said about this. it comes to this question of priority. my view is this. i, as i say, took a strategic decision this was not an issue that i was going to take on. now, the way priority comes into this is as follows. you know, i was trying to do all of the things i believed in for the country, for the labor party and so on, so, as i say, we had never won two full terms before. i wanted us to become a party of government able to compete on equal terms. when i came to office we had health service waiting of 18 months, only a handful of schools with decent results, we had rising crime. there were all sorts of things that we managed to do in government, bring those waiting lists down, increasing school results and so on. we had a minimum wage, civil partnerships, there was a whole set of thing

mandelson is [inaudible] i honestly came from a scottish as pictured in the background.he same interests in the freedom of conscience, and speaking truth to power, was very much part of what rupert murdoch had a view of the media and what it was. i understood quite a lot about his scottish veteran. the idea that i was influenced in what i did by mr. murdoch's news is faintly ridiculous. mr. murdoch would have persuaded us to leave the european union. he probably would've had us at war with france and germany. he would probably pettis as a 51st state of america. scotland, of course, which he wants to be independent. he would epidemic a 52nd state with the republic of scotland. the idea that went along with his views is frankly quite ridiculous. mr. murdoch has very strong views. the idea that i was following his views is just absolutely nonsense. >> mr. murdoch himself described the warm relationship he had with you. is that a fair characterization? >> yes, i think there is a similar background there. they made it interesting because i understood where many of his views c

mandelson did not want mr. mcbride, but there was no discussion about cabinet office. we probably talked about how mr. mcbride was moving back from what you call the front line and that he had a different role, but in the end, it was only a few months later that he had to go. >> did either or both of does o'donnell and jeremy hayward warn you specifically about mr. mcbride? >> i do not remember any specific documentation or letters. they may have said something in conversation. >> did they warn you about mr. mcbride? >> i do not know whether you are talking about what happened in the leaking of these e-mails. they certainly wouldn't talk to me about that when it happened, but i was clear that he had to go. >> i am talking about an earlier warning. >> i do not recall other conversations. perhaps you have better information from these people then i have. there was a general view that mr. mcbride had to change his role. >> you were also warned by adam delevan and douglas alexander about mr. mcbride. >> when i say there was a general view, i'm not excluding the effect of o

now, lord mandelson, your closing remarks. >> i don't expect people to show blind faith in the single currency or the european project. what i do -- what i ask people is not to accept the view of those who proposed this notion, but everything that is wrong in the eurozone and the operation of the single currency will remain wrong. that every mistake that has been made is irreversible. in other words, that all politicks is hopeless. i'm asking you to accept the feud that you can actually repair things. you can actually reverse mistakes. you can change things for the better. it's not academic but it is politics, niall. i think so much of what we've heard from the other side is quite frankly, and sort of counsel of despair. now, i don't expect you to share my commitment, niall, and i don't expect you necessarily to agree with my pro-european views, although, as i pointed out, you did do so two weeks ago in the "fble times" at the beginning of may. -- "the financial times" at the beginning of may. bear in mind what is at stake. this isn't actually a loft. we are talking about people's liv

other influential people from the international community and i'm pleased to have with me lord peter mandelson the former european trade commissioner and chairman of global council. thank you very much for dropping by. i want to move off of russia and ask you about the uk because we have some slightly better than expected retail sales numbers, slightly better number on mortgage lending. does indicate, perhaps that some parts of the uk economy are actually doing better than expected? >> well that's good news and i'm glad to hear it. however, a lot of people are holding back from investment. it's not because of a shortage of cash. many companies are sitting on quite considerable cash mountains. but there's huge uncertainty. and the principle source of uncertainty in britain is the eurozone. it's not only what's happening in britain. there is a lack of confidence about where the british economy is heading, everyone wants, you know, a lift. everyone is asking the government to do more to give the economy a lift. i think the government certainly should do all that it can possibly do in those circum

mandelson is deceptive about this. i think, ipod is came from a scottish presbyterian backcountry rupert murdoch himself was the grandson of a scottish presbyterian minister. i always found it interesting that his grandfather had gone to australia and italy put in prison because he defended church against state. so the same presbyterian interest in the freedom of conscious, if you like, speaking power with three much part of what rupert murdoch's view of the meeting was. i understood i think quite a lot about his scottish background, but the idea that i was influence in what i did by mr. rupert murdoch's views is ridiculous, because mr. murdoch would have, if he had a chance, persuaded us to leave the european union, not just a out of the euro. he probably would've had us at war with france and germany. he would probably have had is at the 51st state of america, and scotland of course which he wants to be independent. the 52nd state with probably a republican of scotland. so the idea that i went along with mr. murdoch

mandelson, in 1999 were still that they should go into the euro. and i was stopped because of disagreements within the labor party and disagreements with the chancellor of the exchequer. so they could hardly switched on european policy if mr. murdoch on the international were cool about europe, which i think is a fair description. it was not a sensible job to move from the prime minister that was supposed to the euro to a prime minister that is going to be in favor of a euro. so i don't think the change had a great deal to do with the european policy. it may have had a great deal to do with supporting after what they have said about us. and it may have had something to do at the position we've taken on calcutta, which i think will come to later or if the old cutting act which will come to later. but i don't think in retrospect, not logically anyway it will become because of our european policies. >> we has to deal with the 1992 election. you have indeed paragraph 23 and you are asked to do with this in your own words. you are clearly expressing thi

blair and mandelson's in labor of party in 1999 gobstopper disagreements in the labor party because of disagreement and the chance of the exchequer, so they could hardly a switched on european policy if mr. murdoch used international were cool about europe, which i think it's a fair description, it was not a sensible job to move from a prime minister that was supposed to be or to a prime minister that is going to be in favor of the euro. so i don't think the change had a great idea to do with the european policy. it supported us after what they said about us and them may have something to do with the position they've taken a kites, which i think will come to later were the actually make him to later. but i don't think in retrospect it can possibly, not logically anyway have been a case of our european policies per se. >> we asked you to do with the 1992 election and you have a deep paragraph 3 following. we ask you in your words, that you are clearly of the view and you stress this in your boat. the conservatives were likely to lose that election. >> it always was. >> i mean, i did sli

please welcome from london, england, lord peter mandelson.[applause] now before i call the debaters for their opening statements, i need to involved you, the audience. first i want to ask everyone to do something in this hall which is usually revoked in an auditorium such as this, which is tower up your smartphones. for the duration of tonight's debate can weigh in on the proceedings by tweeting to our hashtag, at monk europe. you can also follow the ensuing conversation at monk debate so again we want you to be involved in the debate with the audience around the world who is watching on line. we also have two vip twitterers who are coming in with large twitter followings that are ian bremer who appeared on the stage last fall. he is the founder and president of eurasia group, best-selling author and the second vip blogger will be tweeting tonight is. he is 50,000 plus followers on twitter. he is a veritable justin bieber for global finance and we welcome him tonight via twitter. we are going to have their handles now up on the screen so if y