but mr mandetta...ose attention on how england was doing and this kind of testing everybody was not the goal in the beginning. the question now, given where brazil is today with the possibility, given the failure of testing, the possibility that you already have 1.5 million people infected and you have a president who is asking for the economy to be opened up for social distancing to be relaxed, the question is, how bad could it get? what is your feeling? well, it could get as bad as the virus is going to spread all over the country. in the health system — there is no health system in the world that is able to take care of people at the same time going inside intensive care units. this is how bad it's going to be. but what we're going to watch is different cities, different stages, different places in brazil, and different times of this epidemic curve. we have — down in the south in brazil we have sao paulo and rio de janeiro. rio dejaneiro is going to have a terrible time in the next two or three weeks

mr mandetta, ifi may interrupt for just a second people...a second on that question of rio, you said it is going to get terrible. i read in the brazilian press yesterday that there we re brazilian press yesterday that there were scenes of crowds of people eating barbecue food outside, without any social distancing. 0ther crowds gathering outside metro stations. it seems that resilience, taking their lead from the president, are not taking social distancing seriously any more. and that may lead to a national catastrophe. what can be done about it? well, we have to alert, we have to talk, we have to speak. in rio, you have the governor, you have the mayor, and they have responsibility, because the supreme court decided that the responsibility to make the social distance work is from governors and mayors, that they are the ones that have... they have the responsibility to do it. what we see in rio is such — such a social figure that the favelas, i will call the slums, it is very hard. it is one of the cities with the largest numbers of trabecula

the first one, minister mandetta, had a very acrimonious relationship with the president. you had a really surreal situation where the health ministry was telling people these lockdowns measures, these quarantines make sensef you adhere to them. it will allow us to keep the system from being overloaded, and it will prevent deaths. and at the same time, his boss, the president, was encouraging people to take to the streets. he himself was walking around, you know, spurring people to gather around m, shaking hands and essentially saying that this virus was not a big deal if people wanted to make it out to be and that these lockdowns would be ruinous for the economy. >> sreenivasan: where is the health care inastructure of brazil, especially considering some of the incredibly dense urban areas? what's the likelihood that someone that living in one of these favelas that has accs to a hospital? how expensive is it to get treated if they do come down with symptoms? >> brazil has a fairly robust primary health care system, and in the past it has risen to health care challenges, a