amy: i also want to bring in manfred lindenbaum.ring along, historical perspective to all of this. can you explain how you as a child became a refugee? >> when i heard about this conference at the united nations, my mind immediately went back to the evian conference in france in 1938 at which the countries got together and decided no matter what happens, we are not taking in any children refugees, taking in no refugees led by the united states, one country after another said that. and three weeks later, 17,000 of actuallyn germany were rounded up and taken to the border and chased across the border, physically chased across the border into poland. my fear was, is this going to be one of these conferences where everybody says nice things and then in effect, says it is going to continue as before? i did not feel quite that pessimistic. i think it has brought it back on the front page -- amy: explain what happened when you got to poland. what was this kindred transport? -- byn i got to poland, the way, when we got to poland, were two h