joining us, steve melenga, senior fellow at the manhattan institute.> seven million people have taken off in the last 50 years. >> that's a net loss actually. >> so it's worse. >> yeah. >> why are they leaving? >> well, you know, first of all, people follow jobs. and they follow economic opportunities. if you look at the places that they're leaving and the places they're going, they're leaving the places that economic opportunity is dying and they're going where there's economic opportunity. taxes have a lot to do with that. >> let's look at some of the places people are leaving. california, new york, a lot of people leaving illinois, of course, michigan, we know the troubles detroit is having. new jersey, surprised by. ohio. >> you're surprised by new jersey? >> you think people moving out of new york may be moving into new jersey. >> they do. they move from new york to new jersey and then they move out the back door from new jersey elsewhere. >> they keep on going. >> keep on going. >> ohio and massachusetts. is it all the same reasons why they are l