i think the manish uis making sure people vote, that they know how to vote, that they feel comfortableoting given the changes to vote and shevote in person, by mail, absentee, that's the main challenge for both candidates and certainly it's one that the campaign should focus on. >> both of you know the numbers better than me, from the monmouth poll, how likely will had the debate change your mind, very likely or somewhat likely? only 13% say that, not likely 87% so, neil, most voters, not surprising, the numbers were very similar four years ago. we live in a polarized world. if you're an incumbent and you are behind, how do you get people? what is the key to get people to give you a second look? >> well, first of all, 13% is more than enough to change the course of this election. >> yes, it is. >> no question about it. >> but, you know, john, we've been talking about this for months and the need for the trump campaign to turn this from a referendum on donald trump and his presidency to a choice, and that's what he has to do tonight. he has to demonstrate there's a choice between these