. >> yeah, you're listening here to manny conditsis, the most recent attorney for monis after he was killed in a 16 hour plus hostage standoff situation. manny, thank you very much for your insight. although it does raise a few more questions and an attack like this on australia's terror policy may have wider security implications. there are a number of questions we could ask. do western cities face a heightened risk of attacks because of a conflict in the middle east, for example. we'll talk about this more now with david mallett. he's associate director at the melbourne school of government. i'm not sure how much you were able to listen in toto manny conditsis who represented the man that died but do you think there's enough information at this early stage to draw a direct link between what everyone is described as a crazed lone individual an larger anti-terror issues, specifically the fight in syria and iraq. >> i think that notwithstanding his attorney's description of the gunman's motives and describing him as unhinged he sounds like pretty much every individual who becomes invol

now, earlier i spoke with that attorney, manny conditsis and what he did at the lindt cafe. >> what hes heinous. and it is indefensible. if we're trying to understand why these events may have come abo about, the history is quite long. and i'll try to make it as brief as possible. but this was a man that was, in fact, a cleric in iran. he was critical of the iranian regime in the late 1990s, fled to australia because he was going to be killed. obtained political asylum in australia in 2001, left behind his then wife and two children in iran whom he's never seen since as i understand it. they weren't allowed to leave iran. let's understand that background context with one could imagine all the different things he would have seen and heard about in iran under that regime. throughout the 2000s, he became sympathetic to what he perceived whether it's reality or not of his perception, what he perceived of the victimization of muslims around the world and advocated a bigger cause, that cause was trying to lobby governments all around the world but particularly australia where he was living a