manski said i don't know that. the reason i say that, i looked up the voter record, he has dezested status. what we don't know since this was printed out recently, if he was eligible on election day. so they don't know whether or not donald simmons was alive on election day. what do we need to figure out, hamilton asked manski. as long as you're alive at some time on election day, your ballot should count. this is not chicago. and manski says yes, that's what we need to figure out. and hamilton repeats, so we need to figure out the time or date of his death? yes. so that exchange is over, hamilton moves on to the next exhibit, but members of the franken staff are watching of the trial on the uptick, the c-span of the -- i call it the psychedelic c-span in book, but it's computerized tv channel here, and they quickly run over to -- from dfl headquarters to department of health in st. paul, look for donald simmons death certificate and lunchtime, we're back in court. manski is back on the stand, and hamilton offers e