marilyn manson is -- >> greg: yeah. >> do you like marilyn manson? >> greg: no, i don't.dea of slayer fans and marilyn manson fans getting together. >> why did marilyn manson get on this thing -- that is a question i should have asked myself before coming on. >> greg: with 2009 now half over have you heard any potential candidates for best album of the year? >> best album of the year so far is ox but i think i may have discovered something last night that is even better. do we have a clip? ♪ >> greg: what are they doing and why do they look like fat glen dancers. >> this is a band called attack attack and their song stick stickley. they are big on rendition. it is called crab corps because they do this dance where their legs are apart and they are bouncing up and down and shaking their heads. it was written up in the guardian on and a blog called buddy head. believe me, watch the entire video if you can on you tube or something because it is abominabl. >> and they attack so many different tiles at the same time. really amazing. are they the future of rock and roll? >> cra

finally known, it may be well be remembered in the same breath as the murders committed by charles manson and his followers. when you look at the acts, can you understand it? >> no. i cannot understand it. i can tell you that the images will be with me for the rest of my life. >> byrd and melanie billings will be buried tomorrow. i'm jeffrey kofman for "nightline" in pensacola. >> our condolences to them and the children they leave behind. our thanks to jeffrey kofman. >>> when we come back, a pregnant woman's personal battle against swine flu. and new worries about exactly how widespread this pandemic may be. ♪ i always feel like (announcer) it's right here, it's easy... ♪ somebody's watching me. ...it's the money you could be saving with geico. ♪ who's watching? ♪ tell me who's watching. !(muffled music), (announcer) it's right here, it's easy... "♪ i always feel like somebody's watching me. ♪ it's the money you could be saving with geico. soon there will be 1 trillion connected devices... in the world. can you hear them? food is talking to store shelves. cargo containers are talking to

zacarias mouaoui, arles manson, all some examples of bad guys who have been fely held in u.s.theodore kaczynski. he wasonvicted of a domesti bombing campaignhat began in 78 and lasted nearly two decades. he killed three peoplend injured 23 more. his targets were mainly universitiesnd rlines, stions of the modern technology tha mr. kaczynski despised. living alone in a very sll can in montana, it wasn't un1995 wen parts of the unibomber manisto was published in newspapers that mr. kaczynski's si-in-law shared he suspicio with her sband, david, that ted might be the unibomber. david, ted' younger brother, recognized his other's sty of writing andeliefs in the manifesto and evtually he took his spicions to the fbi. ted kaczyki was arrested at his remote cabin in math april 3rd, 1996. he's currently serving a life term in the federal supermax prison in colorado. david kaczynski, d's younger brother, has devoted his lifeo pele with mental illness and the criminal justicsystem and to camigning against the death penalty. he's executivedirector of the alternative to the death penalty.

classes on how not to racial profile and now america's favorite dad, you know who that is, charles manson, no, bill cosby. he said he was "shocked to hear president obama give his opinion without hearing all the facts." he said if i'm the president, dot, dot, dot, i don't care how much pressure people want to put on me about race, he then relaxed with a pudding pop. can't live without it. karl, i go to you first because you are looking dapper as always. do you think president obama wanted to answer this question? was this fair? was it placed on purpose? >> it came at the end of the news conference and i think it was andy who first compared obama and the obama family to the huxtables and i don't think anybody wants to get between the huxtables and the huxtables on this. the big consequence is was overshadowed the healthcare focus which was the purpose of the health conference. >> greg: but it was good news because it overshadowed the news con fo conference. >> and dr. huxtable was a doctor. >> greg: do you think that was planted? >> i have news to break here on "red eye." >> greg: it is ol

like omar abd, the blind shkhand timothy mcveigh and the unomber guy and chard id and charles frking manson have all been in prison in someone's town without cint. even vy wl-known people, like the unaboer, timothy mcveig zacarias moussaoui, charles nson, all some examples of bad guys who have been safely held in u. prisons. among those people they among those op that i mentiod, the unabomber, eodore kaczynski. he was convicted of domestic mbing campaign that began in 1978 and lasted nearlywo decades. he killed three people and injured 23 more. his targets were maiy universities and airlis, bastions of the morn technology that mr. kaczynski despised. living alo in a very small cabin in montana, it wasn't unti1995 when parts of the unabomber manifesto wa published in newspaperthat mr. kaczynski's sister-in-law shared her suspions with her husband, david, that ted mit be the unabomber. david, ted's younger brother, recognized his brother's sle of writing and belie in the manifesto anentually he took hisuspicions to the fbi. ted kaynski was arrested at in his remote cabin on april d, 1996. he'

i'm thinking back to richard nixon and the manson case when the president got in tribl for venturing any opinion. should a president be venturing fax actual claims about a case involving potential criminal charges? >> you would say no. he could have stood up for his friend and -- he started to say the right thing, i really don't know the facts but, and then he said the acted stupidly which i thought said he came to the conclusion -- >> i don't know about that. i don't want to get into the position of opining on this, but i think at some point you're the president of the united states. if somebody asks you a question, as you did, you want him to answer it, and he did. >> and that i appreciate, but if you're looking at the part did he go too far for somebody that's usually measured no drawing the conclusion of what happened, maybe he did. >> but i think that underestimates the anger in the black community over this. there are a lot of people who when you've lived in sort of that skin for that long, you dealt with racial profiling, i think it's really easy to say that a president should

. >> sheriff, you've compared this case to everything from a truman capote movie to the charles manson killings, i mean, why these comparisons? when are we going to get sort of a bigger picture here? >> it may be a while, because as i've explained, we're in the prosecutorial phase of this investigation now, meaning that there is so much information that we cannot speak openly and freely about. those examples i made because of the numbers of people that have been involved in murders that were very high profile throughout the united states. in the truman capote case, the clutter family, of course, in kansas, there was only two individuals involved in that murder. and when you go out to california in '69, '70 with the tate/low lobiaco murders, there were seven, we're up to more than that. >> the number of people from what at least you told us appears to be a robbery, it just doesn't make sense. >> well, i would agree with you on its surface, it doesn't, but as the state attorney has said, and i also concur with, a motive -- a motive -- for this crime was a home invasion and robbery. and a

comparison you made that was intriguing to me was the 1969 murder, those killings involving charles mansone that involves almost like a cult-like figure. is that what we're seeing here, as well? >> no, sir. again, we don't believe that there's any cult involved. my comparison there was from purely a law enforcement perspective in the numbers of people involved in the lo bianco murders and now sadly the number of people we've been identified to date, eight, that have been involved in the billings murders, and i believe there were five or six people in that california case to include charles manson that were involved in those murders. yet here in small town pensacola we have eight. eight. >> all the weapons, have you retrieved all the weapons that were involved in this homicide? >> we believe that we have, sir. we believe that we have those weapons now, again, in our evidence room. >> and can you clarify for us all these rumors that have been out there about drugs, if they played any role in this killing? what can you tell us about that? >> well, again, the drugs, there was i think some misu

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it's the same kind of reaction during the manson experience when a pregnant, beautiful woman, you know, was killed and stabbed to death by susan atkins. the public reacts more strongly to that than to the murder of a homeless person or something. you say, well, murder is murder and that person's -- that person's life is as valuable as the other's but the public's reaction is going to be much more strong. they're going to be agast at the idea of a large number of people affected. clayton: and smurd not just murder. -- murder is not just murder if you read your book. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. our coverage of those murders in florida will continue in two minutes. the sheriff of the case will join us live with new information about the female real estate agent now accused in this grewsome crime. then some small business owners already hurting. now the plan to reform health care will hit them even harder. plus, the worst breakup you've ever had. did it go something like this? >> oh, broke up with me on a post-it. >> a post-it? >> uh-huh. yup. read it and weep, my friends. >>

the charles manson murders also happened then.ck, christi, three weekends after man walked on the moon, about a half a million people attended or tried to attend the woodstock music festival. as you know, it was three days of a whole lot of peace, love, and music. so there you go. a little walk down memory lane for you on cnn.com. both features very popular at pp this hour. >> i'm not surprised.pp all right. nicole lapin, good to see you. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> sure. >>> well, one out of work military vet didn't let her situation stop her from pursuing one of her dreams. susan candiotti has her story in this week's "money and main street." >> reporter: in the eight years since she retired from the air force, lawlor ri lawrence has had three different jobs. he quit one and was laid off twice. after the last layoff in february, she started rethinking her options. >> started thinking i'm tired of going through this. what would i really enjoy? >> reporter: though her aging husky cody is too old to need much grooming anymore,

in advance in case that lincoln lost, manson had brought his legs in and they work in illinois for more than a year on his part in illinois. the court said that's not in transit. so he lost, which is maybe a good thing. >> why don't we move ahead to the immediate post-civil war era, the time of andrew johnson. and david stewart, i remember when i was a kid, and i read john f. kennedy's profiles in courage, andrew johnson reputation at least than was changing. it was improving from that of being sort of a backslider in the area of slavery, emancipation, to someone who is almost a sympathetic figure. someone who is being railroaded by the radical republicans of the day. i think your book makes a very different argument. who was your andrew johnson? >> well, he was a guy who was compared a lot to abraham lincoln. it was inevitable since he succeeded lincoln. so it happened and it's really happened a lot since. and when he became president, this terrible convulsion we had over the assassination, and those people didn't know very much about johnson. really, they do two things. one was that w

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illinois in your on your ways to ellen-- new orleans burgoine the mansing case that lincoln loss, manson had brought his slaves in and they worked in illinois for more than a year on farms and illinois and the court said that is not in transit, so he lost which maybe is a good thing. >> why don't we move ahead to the immediate post civil war era, the time of andrew johnson and david stuart, i remember when i was a kid and i read john f. kennedy's profiles in courage, andrew johnson's trippi keeshan at least then was changing. it was improving from that of being sort of a backs later in the area of slavery and emancipation to someone who was almost a sympathetic figure. someone who was being railroaded by the radical republicans of the day. i think your book makes a very different argument. who is yorvit andrea johnson? >> well, he was a guy who was compared a lot to abraham lincoln. it is inevitable since he succeeded lincoln so what happened then and it has really happened a lot since. when he became president, this terrible convulsion we had over the assassination and most people didn'