. >> casey anthony, charles manson. i mean, then you get to congress. >> 13 -- yeah. >> yeah. yeah. amazing. this is -- you know, republicans in particular like to pretend the entire country is with them. that everybody wants to privatize medicare, everybody wants to go down this road of slashing and spending. they get home and realize that, hey, i guess that's not really true. most people don't like what we're talking about here in congress, and they're going to let us know it. you know, again, they're just scared. >> ken, let me get to this objective factor, congressmen having meetings, what's this called, independent businessmen group. the national independent of business people, rotary charging $15 to see them. maybe that covers the sandwiches. seems to me there ought to be a right to petition congress. in fact, i think there is a right to petition congress. it's in the constitution, first amendment. how can they charge people, these members of congress, like ben quayle and paul ryan to listen and talk to them? >> well, i mean, these type of events aren't knew. we've definitely