even when she came to manson.d once her mother was gone, her father and she were not as close, and she became a runaway. and she took up with bad company. >> when i interviewed susan atkins in prison, she told me she came to san francisco as a topless dancer for a while and was attracted to the haight counterculture. she was drinking too much and doing too much of this and that, and she met charlie, and it was the greatest thing to ever happen in your life at that time. that's what she thought. >> i didn't find a place in san francisco where i fit in. men gave me one of the only things that made me feel good about myself. at the time i met him, i was nothing more than a sex object. no self-worth. no self-esteem. he had a guitar with him and was surrounded by a group of girls. he started to play music. he sounded like an angel. i wanted to get some attention from him. he told me he wanted to make love with me. he said "there is nothing wrong with you. you are perfect. you always have been perfect." when we are maki

so many people know charles manson.nd of the heisman trophy winner of mass murderers when it comes to fame. >> in 1970, it was prosecutor vincent bugliosi's job to prove that charles manson was responsible for the at a time and labianca slayings. >> the main defendant at the trial was obviously charles manson. why? i was alleging that he ordered a master mind of these murders. the problem is manson did not physically participate in the murders. he thought he would immunize himself from criminal responsibility by getting other people to do his bidding for him. now how did i connect him with the murders themselves? i proved to the jury through witnesses that manson was the only one who had a motive for these murders and that motive was helter-skelter. >> the jury was told there was this beatles song "helter-skelter" that manson became obsessed with. he thought it was telling him to start a race riot, turn the blacks against the whites. >> catherine share spent over a year living with the family. she recalls manson talking

manson had been there before.e he was there was at a time when he had been rejected by someone in the business for something he wanted very, very much. >> he was going to be a star. >> yes. >> that's the man who told him he wasn't going to be a star. >> that's right. >> and the place they dropped that man is where the murder occurred? >> that's right. >> so it was a revenge killing. >> i believe it was. but they got the wrong people. >> so disguise within a disguise. a man who claims he is trying to launch some sort of revolution or start a war between whites and blacks -- >> actually wanted to be a rock star. >> thinks he's killing the guy from preventing him from being a rock star. >> right. one of the most basic motivators of murder, revenge. >>> when we come back. >> the only thing i did at that ranch is i said don't you lie. if i catch you lying i'll take you out behind the barn. and we just never lied to each other. we started telling each other the truth. >> the truth according to manson. i was out for a bi

but only manson had a motive to commit these murders, and that was helter-skelter. >> manson envisionedthe white people would turn against the black man if they thought a black man committed these murders. and there would be a civil war between blacks and whites. manson foresaw the black man would win this war but he said the black man because of inexperience would not be able to handle the reins of power. so you have to look at the white people who survived, who escaped from helter-skelter, in other words, turn over the reins of power to charles manson and his family. >> when the words "helter-skelter" were found at the murder scene, i argued to the jury this was tantamount to manson's fingerprints being found at the murder scene. >> manson sat through court saying nothing but had an "x" scratched in his forehead. it's his way of saying he has xed himself out of society. >> susan atkins, patricia krenwinkel and leslie van houten sang as they went to and from court today as if to show they are with manson and he is with them. >> the three women were coached by charlie every morning, her

the inmate is charles manson. >> we have some manson memorabilia that charles manson has created since he's been incarcerated here at corcoran. >> during one of our shoots at california state prison corcoran our crew barely got a glimpse of manson before he covered up his window. a recent mug shot shows how much he has aged since first coming to prison in 1971. but his artwork provides a unique insight into his life behind bars. >> here's a scorpion that he's made. basically just taking thread from various types of items, socks and t-shirts and towels and he creates it and uses a marker to color it. this is probably one of the items that he makes the most of, would be scorpions and spiders. this is, i would assume, something like a harp and he's made it out of toilet paper, and newspaper. this looks like some dental floss, a small stick and probably for the coloring he used kool-aid to get the coloring for it. >> why do you guys have this stuff? >> he's not allowed to have it. he -- occasionally we go through and do cell searches and confiscate all items. he doesn't have a hobby card.

charles manson wrote songs for the beach boys. would you let manson in? >> you just compared chris to manson. harvey: i wasn't. >> drake, he's bullying now. the big thing at the drake show, when he's performing, fans scream out [bleep]. >> he's already won. >> i wonder if serena says dude, stop it. >> she definitely didn't say it like that. [laughter] >> kanye west had a bi

he argues that charles manson ordered the seven savage killings to ignite a bloody race war. but what if the prosecutor got it wrong? >> you know, you want me to feel sorry for something i didn't do? i didn't kill anyone. i didn't order anyone to be killed. >> well, we just reported what bugliosi said.

charles manson wrote songs for the beach boys. would you let manson in?st compared chris to manson. harvey: i wasn't. >> drake, he's bullying now. the big thing at the drake show, when he's performing, fans scream out [bleep]. >> he's already won. >> i wonder if serena says dude, stop it. >> she definitely didn't say it like that. [laughter] >> kanye west had a big issue when he was on stage during his show at the hollywood bowl.

we never found anything we think is her at all. >> 19-year-old donna manson went missing march 12, 1974here, there's a quarter section. most of what we found is here. we found hair, skull, skull, jawbone, jawbone. we never found any bones. now are those bodies buried out there someplace? or are they someplace elsewhere no one has ever found them? >> i won't beat around the bush with you anymore. i'm just tired. i want to go to sleep. >> okay. >> le me say the head, however, the skull, won't be there. >> where is it? >> nowhere. >> it's nowhere? >> it's in a category by itself. i just assume, this is something you just can't -- i can see the headlines now. >> there's not going to be details. what you told me about georgean hawkins, there's parents that don't want to know the details. >> it's incinerated. >> where did you incinerate it? come on, partner. these are things i don't know about you. >> this is probably the disposal method of preference among those who get away with it. most bizarre, bizarre thing i've ever been associated with. >> tell me about it. what the hell happened? >> i

. >> like charles manson. >> yes, like charles manson and henry lee lucas and both of the mendendez brothers we've been studying it for 20 to 30 years in depth. holmes doesn't speak in court. there's nothing magnetic about him but it's what some women relate to. they are isolated and have low self-esteem and they think they understand him. >> it's interesting. when i was covering the tsarnaev trial, there were a number of women that did show up at that court and they really -- they showed up as if they had a deep connection with this man they had never met. but is it just insecurity? were they themselves perhaps victims of some kind of abuse or do they connect with him? >> that's a sad fact that in studies we've done on women who fall prey to this that at least three-quarters of them report having been abused. most of them sexually but some of them just verbally or psychologically or physically as well. and the psychology of their abuse is they think they can see it in other people. they have a connection or a bond with somebody. when i interviewed these women when i saw him on tv, i just kn

its inmate population includes charles manson and some of the nation's most violent prison gangs.up" crews have also been frequent guests at california state prison corcoran. >> you might have to fight. you might have to kill. you might have to stab. you never know. it depends on the situation. >> a lot of times it's just fistfights out here. but i would say maybe every other month we get a righteous stabbing. when they do stab each other, they go for the kill. they don't just stab each other to play around. >> every morning you wake up you dealing with a thousand different attitudes. you never know what could happen on that certain day. all you can do is think the worst and hope for the best. >> we met two inmates on the yard at corcoran who are much more pro-active when it comes to surviving life in this powder keg. they gave our crew a tutorial on how they do it. >> some of the rules that you want to live by behind these walls is you want to give everybody the same respect that you expect to receive from them. >> without order we have anarchy. when we have anarchy, people die h

it's like the odd-ball woman who writes letters to death row inmates and marries charles manson.be there's something special with this person who wants to kill me. perhaps i should mary them. it was about president obama's ego. he wanted a policy and the deadline for this deal was having it done before he's out of office. so he staked the survival and security of our country on his last hoo ray. our future is his parting gift. >> very, very bad like terror swag bag like walking away, like oh, awesome. yeah. where can i get some more of this? never. >> i love this. everybody's fantasy island, eric said we should do this and that. >> and i tattoo. >> you mean the iranians have no say in this and the other -- china and russia has no say. it's just usinsistent. i don't understand it. >> do you understand death to america? >> oh, yeah. >> you understand the free leaders are now -- >> 25 years now -- imagine this guy using harsh rhetoric. he's been doing it all along. >> death to america. death to israel. >> with our people dying and us spending money -- >> they're killing our people.

. >> what about marilyn manson. >> that is 90's. >> lady gaga, little monsters. >> yes. >> we went through all of the decade. >> kanye is doing it right now, and then there is beiber. >> and then kanye running for president. >> god bless him. >> speaking of the white house. >> five years away from it, but, yeah, so whether he is bound to end up a as command inner chief or not, just speak - >> just speak english. >> one man will have all of the power. no one man should have all of the power. >> exactly that song. >> white house basically has responded to the fact that he says he is running for president. they are seriously wondering what the campaign's campaign might look like. >> the obama administration. >> white house press secretary josh earners says he can't wait to see what slogan will be embroidered on kanye's campaign hat. >> what does trump's hat say, the stupid thing it said on his hat, make america great again. >> yes. >> america is great now, donald, okay. >> hit me up on twitter and yell a at me. >>> back to school on local kids but not all of them are upset about going back to

which is incredibly effective as using methods that nobody could dream r then someone like charlie manson. we're crossroads of a lot of things that are happening in the world, not just in america, in a generation of you people that are looking at institutions in a completely different way. to be that george w. bush happened to be presiding over this, which did not make his presidency any easier. one of the fundamental and mr. standings that we went into iraq on was that iraq was a country. it is an agreement european powers of hundred years ago that made no sense is a country. he unrooted all of that and an analyst forces that nobody had any idea where is horrible as they were there. there was an enormous technological revolution going on around the world. the bush people just happened to be there at the time. diday that the bush people not understand technology is not really fair. that would be like saying william sheikh square -- shakespeare did not understand literature 300 years later. he just got caught in enormous historical change that affected everything, not just technology, not

. >> in 1987 the "today" show went to san quentin prison and interviewed the infamous charles manson. and unapologetic. >> you know, if i wanted to kill somebody, i'd kick this book and beat you to death with it. and i wouldn't feel a thing. >> the interview sparked controversy within nbc. >> we here on the "today" show staff debated

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. >> i think people want to see all serial killers as sort of the charlie mansons or the richard ramirez'shat really look like they're on the fringe, but oftentimes they're not. they're guys who look very much like you and i. ♪ >> in 1959 joel is adopted by an upper middle class long island couple. >> from a very young age joel tried to measure up to his father in some ways, but just, you know, perpetually fell short and that was a great source of disappointment for him. >> young joel also doesn't fit in with other children. afflicted by severe dyslexia and a lack of athletic skill and coordination, he becomes the constant target of bullies. >> i just happened to bring out the bully in people. >> and because you think that they saw you as a target, an easy target? >> yeah. yeah. >> how did you cope with this as you describe as sort of incessant taunting? >> i just absorbed it and one day at a time type of thing. i developed certain avoidance habits. i would got some place just in time or slightly late buzz if you hung around in front of the school that's when you had your problems. i used

. >> it's charles manson. >> oh, oh. that's tough. >> dodged that one.eporter sarah joins me where donald trump wrapped up an event. town hall, trump got a larger and warmer resomething than earlier. what was it like tonight? >> that's right, anderson. first stop in charleston and that was a little sparser event than we're used to seeing for donald trump. for the south carolina african american chamber of commerce and interestingly, the crowd there was predominantly white. different reception in colombia, south carolina, much warmer crowd and they were very responsive to his usual applause lines about immigration but donald trump showing a little leg when it comes to policy issues saying that next week we can expect this tax plan that we've been waiting for. his campaign staffers said that should come next week. he may finally get more specifics on a plan other than immigration from donald trump, anderson. >> certainly seems to be on the warpath boycotting fox news and went after fellow candidating nailing marco rubio. >> he absolutely was on the warpath

marilyn manson is here. oh, i'm sorry. that's whitney cummings.! i hate you because you're a cunt. [laughter] anthony jeselnik is here. i'll pause for a few moments so those of you at home can wikipedia him. [laughter] it's great you're here, anthony. what happened? is daniel tosh busy getting fisted in key west? [laughter] it's great to see my old friend jeffrey ross here tonight, doing what he does best-- sitting and watching funny people tell jokes. wow, jeff, you're even uglier than you were last year. look at that hair. look at that mop. i've seen better hair on susan boyle's taint. [laughter] don't you laugh at a hair joke, trump. look at that helmet. what do you say to a barber to get that type of hair cut? "i fucked your daughter"? [laughter] situation from the jersey shore. you're all over television. and you have a book out. i tried ordering your book on amazon.com. amazon said, "customers who bought this book also bought a rope and a stool." [laughter] but enough about chachi. let's get to the reason we're all here tonight-- donald trum

>>darya: and 19 your man drowned at the results are in oakland this from the manson murders in the legs body out of the water the victim was taken to a nearby hospital where he was pronounced dead is not an identified to say it is from concord. >>james: the king of saudi arabia will make his first visit to the white house since taking over the throne and the visit comes as congress to get rid said resolution of disapproval for the run nuclear deal the officials have voiced support for the deal with it also expressed concern about how well it will be carried out their mission is to try to assure the king that the nuclear deal will come and astaire resources to make sure that it stays in check this is a philadelphia could get a big financial boost this month from the crowd and are expected for the pope to visit as long as employees to get to work through the security of parameters and the road closures more than a million people are expected to see the pope when he visits on september 26th and 27 the there's been a lot of backlash over traffic restrictions and other logistical challenges

>>mark: the deputy separated the suspect from the hospital the manson and not been made public knew thisresearching the testing and work toward a system the university of washington this testing the system and shellers system uses sensors to the sec last will and signals that the sea larger quakes a contract let the magnitude of the quick before the shipping starts the system would be completed in the next three years. >>darya: a three member nevada supreme court panel ruled there is no reason to grant o.j. and the trial since the lawyers argue his trial attorney mishandled his case and had conflicts of interest the 68 year-old a server 9 to 33 years in prison for a botched hotel room heist he claimed he was retrieving items stolen from him after his 1995 acquittal in los angeles and the death of his ex-wife is not eligible for parole until 2017 the family modesto's try to figure how large chunk of ice came falling out the sky and crass like to the ceiling. >>darya: the family says they were sitting in the long run when they heard this loud crash they ran a to the grout look up and saw a

senator durbin's office have said democrats aren't planning to filibuster manson said he will not support a filibuster. undecidedhat are because it is such an intense debate, they may not end up getting the vote. -- >> laura barron barron lopez covers congress for the huffington post. follow her on twitter. thanks for the update. on c-span, twore conversations from the presidential leadership scholars program. first we are from dallas mavericks owner mark cuban, and then to former president, bill clinton and george w. bush. that, a conversation about technology and civil liberties. a look at news media coverage of george w. bush's presidency. >> he was a not the. he was responsible for the murder of thousands of jews. >> this sunday night on q and a. about hereege revelation that her relative was a nazi . dogs and heo trained them to tear humans apart. -- there was a pleasure he felt when he killed people. something that when you are normal, if you don't have this aspect in your personality, it is very difficult to grasp. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern and pacific on c-span's you and a.

tamara manson's idea was not to call the police but moms with lawn chairs and grils and hot dogs ands took place. tamara form ed the group called mask or mothers against senseless killings, and throughout the summer, the moms have watched 75 and stewart and 75th and englewood in an effort to deter crime every single day, and all summer long. and in an interview with the producers she said, i have to save our kids and in the process i have to save all of their friends' lives, too. and so they made difference, and they brought food and baby diapers and offered kickboxing and community center without walls. while one man lost his life on the mom's turf, the community said that the group's work was substantial and made their neighborhood safer and though their physical presence is ended labor day, and they are deploying volunteers where necessary, and tamara said that consistency is the key, and we have to be there and this is a problem to take all of us to fix. in addition to online monitoring, tamara and the group are working on legislation urging the schools to teach the kids in the c

is incredibly in fact they've using methods no one could dream up other than people like charlie mansonho didn't have the reach of rollins. the bush administration was at a crossroads of a lot of things that were happening in the world, not just american generation and young people looking at institutions in a completely different way. george w. bush happened to be presiding which i don't think i've made presidency easier. one of the fundamental misunderstandings that we base going into iraq on his iraq was a country. while it was in a country. iraq was a creation of an agreement between european powers a hundred years ago that made no sense of what the president did in the iraq war was still on roof all of that and the forces nobody had any idea were as powerful as they were. the same thing is true of technology. the revolution going on around the world and led in the united states and the bush people have been to be there at the time. to say that the bush people don't understand technology he is not really fair. that is like singing william shakespeare didn't understand literature 300

which is effective using methods that nobody even could dream of, other than people like charlie manson who didn't have the reach of isis. so the bush administration was really, i think, at a cross roads, of a lot of things that were happening in the world, not just america and generation of young people who were looking at institutions in a completely different way. and all of government, and it happened to be bush was presiding over this which i don't think made his presidency any easier. in my view, one of the fundamental misunderstandings that we base going into iraq on is that iraq was actually a country. well it wasn't a country. it was a creation of an agreement between european powers 100 years ago and made no sense as a country in a sense what the president did was to unroof all of that and create -- begin the loose forces that nobody had any idea were as powerful as they were. and the same thing is true of technology. there is this enormous technology revolution going on around the world and particularly led in the united states and the bush people just happened to be there at

that heell: it is not or peter manson failed to see it . they are threatened by the trade bill that has been passed. they are concerned about the restriction of striking rights. they have to give two weeks notice before a strike. there is control of social media activity. maybe rightfully concerned about their position. corbyn is a union candidate. him to berniee sanders here. i actually think it is very different. he is nowhere near as left-wing as corbyn. foot was a more intellectual figure then corbin. tom: in the middle of the strand is the air force church. has he ever been in that church? tories have toe be careful. they can't be too triumphant or sneering. they must treat him with some respect. i think the electorate will vote in a different way in 2020. of way that 250,000 out 500,000 people voted in the labour party election. you, so much, sir martin. our twitter question, we have the fed meeting at 2:00 p.m. this afternoon. at 1:55 we will go on era. scheduled toguests be with us. the twitter question is simple. within the power g

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you talk to everyone, from sharon tate's sister, remember the manson murders and the wife of the d.c.? >> each story was so unique and each chapter advise i'ded for that family, they all resonate with me because they talk about resilience and how you can gain control in a really uncontrollable situation and the power of healing and growth and the process. i love how each member, you know, found their own voice throughout their process, and i -- i just was inspired by every story. >> aren't there common strands when you have a horrible situation like this and for whatever reason it is of interest to the media. it becomes a national story. of what these families go through, that kind of added trauma potentially to what they are already experiencing. >> you know, i think each -- each member that i interviewed every family had a unique situation to them because, you know, the media was different and social media element added, why sometimes certain stories rose to the top and others didn't. there real wane -- we didn't get to the bottom ofit. it was just really teaching and talking about