how long ago did you interview manson? charlie: a long time ago, when i started out.ke 1984, marc: you 1985. should go back and interview him. charlie: every year there is some new story. marc: someone was just up for parole. charlie: i don't think they released her. marc: i don't think so. that would be an interesting interview. it would be intense. charlie: why don't you go to san quentin and talk to him? i would. who do i talk to? can you put me in touch with manson? charlie: [laughter] would you do it? would you like to do it? would you be interested in it? marc: yes, i would. he is an old which. charlie: he is more than that. maybe you and i differ, but i want to reach out to people and find them and say, how about let's do this? you are so casual about it. marc: manson is sort of a difficult get, charlie. i'm more focus on -- focused on albert brooks. he might be more difficult to get than charlie manson. he knows i want to talk to him. charlie: are you being serious now? you have not been able to talk to him? marc: i think he just doesn't want to do one hour in

you can put me in touch with manson? z. >> rose: would you do it, would you like to do it, does that interest you? >> yeah. he's an old witch. >> rose: more than that. >> yeah. >> rose: i would be trying to do that if i were you. in other words, maybe you and i are different. if there is somebody i really want to talk to, i want to reach out to them and find them and say how about let's do this. not just i might. are you so casual about it. >> manson is sort of a difficult get, charlie. i am more focused on albert brooks. >> rose: i do too. >> he might be more difficult to get than charlie manson, albertment and he knows i want to talk to him. >> rose: are you serious now, you want to talk to him and you haven't been able to. >> i think he doesn't want to dot hour interview. >> rose: when they say that, i get a little bit of that too. >> sure. >> rose: oh, 15 minutes, that is fine. an hour. i can't carry an hour. there's not that much interesting stuff in an hour. and you say to them, let me, trust me. >> yeah, yeah, let

>> manson was going to get married and he was, like, i don't know, she's a little too crazy for me. >ictment! (laughter) >> he goes to a special murderer tinnedder tinder or something? >> it has less to do with the fetish for guns and more to do with the disregard for black lives. nobody's buying the guns used in columbine. you know why? because it's a horrible thing to do. but the difference between that case and the difference between this case is a black life. >> yeah. and he was a teenage child and he did not deserve what he got, and it's just appalling. (applause) >> it's true. there is an ambiguity. like, was trayvon martin a kid, a man? he was 17 years old. >> he was a child. but in columbine and handy hook, we're sure they're children, and i think that benefit of the doubt was given to george zimmerman in this case. >> larry: no one actually bought the gun, you know. >> i bet somebody would have. they took it down or somebody would have. >> i also feel so badly for trayvon martin's family because every single time this sort of -- can can i say a bad word? >> larry: yes. this (

murderer charles manson and robert kennedy's assassin, sirhan sirhan, are among the most notorious inmates allegations against staff brought the prison to its knees. officers were accused of arranging gladiator-style fights between rival inmates that often had to be stopped with lethal force. >> officers betting on these fights, who's going to win, who's going to be stabbed, who's going to kill who, who's going to beat who bad. >> all of the indicted officers were subsequently acquitted. george galaza was warden at the time and had to tackle the daunting task of getting corcoran back on its feet. >> when i got here in 1996, corcoran frankly was under an intensive media barrage. the impact that that had on the staff here, it was tremendous. you cannot maintain a prison like this well if your staff morale is poor. so the first part of it was getting the staff morale up. the next thing that we focused on was the issue of violence. >> you might have to fight. >> in a prison like this one, because of the types of inmates that we have, violence is a real thing. >> you might have to kill, you mig

how long ago did you interview manson?ie: that was when i first 1985.d, like 1984, mark: you should go back and interview him. charlie: every year there is some new story. mark: i heard that one of his girls was up for parole. charlie: yeah. mark: that would be an interesting interview, that would be intense. charlie: why do you go to san quentin and talk to him? would you do it? would you like to do it? would you be interested in it? mark: yes, i would. he is an old which. charlie: he is more than that. maybe you and i differ, but i want to reach out to people and find them and say, how about let's do this? you are so casual about it. mark: manson is sort of a difficult get, charlie. albert brooks is -- charlie: i do, too. mark: he may be more difficult to get than early mansion -- then charlie manson. charlie: are you being serious now? mark: it is been difficult. when i ask somebody --t, they say, one hour, and they say, 15 minutes, and i ask for one hour, and they say they can't talk about anything interesting a one ho

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. >> if you're the reagan optimist then i'm charles manson. >> sometimes you -- >> what are -- >> you campaign complain a little bit too much. so i will just remind you that the tsa people for all of their faults. >> -- you're boring. me. do you think that we resort to this? and i'm not -- don't we have to address the underlying problems by throwing more money at it. >> i think so. in fact more of a story's told. >> like stagger a flight schedule. >> bring people together to at least talk about how you solve the problem. i think right now there is absolutely no story about what they are doing to make it better. >> but they are doing something to make it better though. >> -- veterans, right is it. >> -- of the government -- >> -- blow of privatization on this too much. >> only on this. >> let me make the point that we have very good private security outfits out there. >> a different for every -- >> let me make the point. they hire people who are really good at security -- >> what if the airport is topeka can't afford the private navy. >> they can't afford that okay. >> so you get a guy

its inmate population includes charles manson and some of the nation's most violent prison gangs." crews have also been frequent guests at california state prison corcoran. >> you might have to fight. you might have to kill. you might have to stab. you never know. it depends on the situation. >> a lot of times it's just fistfights out here. but i would say maybe every other month we get a righteous stabbing. when they do stab each other, they go for the kill. they don't just stab each other to play around. >> every morning you wake up you dealing with a thousand different attitudes. you never know what could happen on that certain day. all you can do is think the worst and hope for the best. >> we met two inmates on the yard at corcoran who are much more pro-active when it comes to surviving life in this powder keg. they gave our crew a tutorial on how they do it. >> some of the rules that you want to live by behind these walls is you want to give everybody the same respect that you expect to receive from them. >> without order we have anarchy. when we have anarchy, people die her

criminal enterprise, specifically a chairis mattic person like el chapo or john gotty or even charles manson. i mean, they have their following. but speak to the victims. how do you feel about that? >> easyhe is a krichl he has ma many deaths and many many things. they exploit little kids. it's like a chain. it never stops. we have to stop consuming. it's not only drugs. it's human trafficking. it's weapons. if i can future just one little piece of my work, my name, my soul of course that could help for me, that would be amazing of course. >> you seem emotional about this. >> yes. oh, yeah. i get emotional because i -- i mean, there is so many thing about my country that i get emotional about. you know? especially right now, with all these things going on and all these problems that we have in mexico. and then those dead people, and that nobody talks about it. >> so tell me what you intend to do now, going forward. >> i want to tell his story. because it's not only el chapo. he cannot do it by himself. so i'm interested in how and who helps this kingpin to get that big. because the real, you

. >> a candidate like joe manson can win in west virginia. that's the sort of prototypical west virginian democrat. have to be centrist. >> likes coal miners you can't say such nasty things about coal. you know, as i said earlier, it's not the democratic party putting coal out of business, it's not hillary clinton, it's natural gas and fracking and large economic trends. but it's the democrats were in part paying the price. >> the same with trade and everything, it always is the party that has these positions. thank you, steve schmidt, kelly ann conway, eugene robinson, luciana lopez. >>> the news is that bernie sanders is the projected winner of west virginia. he's going to get the headlines tomorrow. more wins for him, more crowds, more money, $27 a person, he's doing it, he's still in this thing. you're watching a special edition of "hardball." if you're approaching 65, now's the time to get your ducks in a row. to learn about medicare, and the options you have. you see, medicare doesn't cover everything - only about 80% of your part b med

criminal enterprise or sophisticated charismatic person like el chapo,like john gaddy and charles manson a criminal and he has many many debts and many many terrible things -- they exploit little kids. it's like a chain and it never stops. we have to stop consuming. not only drugs, it's human trafficking. it's weapons. if i can put just one little piece of my work my name my soul of course that could help for me that would be amazing, of course. >> you seem emotional about this. >> yes. oh yeah. i get emotional because, i mean so many things about my country that i get emotional about. you know especially right now with all the things going on and all the problems that we have in mexico. and then those dead people and nobody talks about it. >> so tell me what you intend to do now going forward. >> i want to tell his story. because it's not only el chapo, he cannot do it by himself. it's interesting who and how they help this kingpin. because the real organized crime is not only him. someone has to help them. and it's just corruption in mexico. and here and everywhere. >> so what do we th

. >> senator joe manson said bernie is not a democrat. what are we worried about? why would bernie want to play nice. >> michael briggs reacted to clinton saying she'll be the nominee. he notes voters in indiana, west virginia and oregon respectfully disa agreed and points to the latest polling, says it's clear that millions of americans have growing doubts about the clinton campaign. >> we should point out that bernie sanders accepted our invitation to the debate in california. we're waiting official word from hillary clinton. >>> a former hillary clinton aide has testified under oath about his knowledge of her private email practices. louis lukens worked for clinton when she was secretary of state. he spoke for two hours in a deposition that is part of a lawsuit by conservative group judicial watch. at least five other officials are scheduled to testify. this is separate from the fbi's investigation into clinton's emails. >>> hillary clinton is promising to let her husband run the economy if she wins. but is all the nostalgia over the prosperous bill clinton year

. >> look at the charles manson. he had people that adored him. john gotti. there is san attraction for the outlaw. they see him as robin hood. i think he certainly has fans. >> we got to go i can't wait to watch it. >> when is it? >> 8:00 tomorrow. >> one more thing -- there it is look right there. >> 8:00 tomorrow night. ♪ ♪ we built our factories here because of a huge natural resource. not the land. the water. or power sources. it's the people. american workers. they build world-class products. and that builds communities. and a better future. for all of us. because making something in america means so much, to so many. weathertech. proudly made in america. then smash it into a tree.ch on a perfect car, your insurance company raises your rates... maybe you should've done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. liberty mutual insurance. >>> sunday is mother's day. i want to wish a happy mother's day to kimberly and melissa and my lovely wife and all you guys out there g

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her mind, was -- i don't know why, but i know, a lot of people hung out with john gotti, charles manson happens? >> what happens they track the text messages between kate as she brings sean penn along and party goes into mexico and all this clandestine nonsense but the dea is watching, mexican attorney general says it was those communications and that meeting that led them to the first hit on "el chapo" in the jungle hideaway. he got away that time. when they caught him, got to listen to this, he had entire collection of her soap opera dvds in his duffle bag. harris: part stalker. dagen, go ahead. >> really quickly, isn't "el chapo" married? >> yes to a beautiful wife. sandra: really worried about that. >> why would he ever cheat on his wife? harris: got to run. >> because of his obsession with the little blonde played by naomi watts and just can lange. harris: so much more to this. be sure to watch this weekend, "beauty and the beast," saturday 8:00 p.m. eastern, sunday 9:00 p.m. eastern. we'll be here with geraldo rivera, so you have more questions about his castillo what she may have

. >> senator joe manson said bernie is not a democrat. what are we worried about? why would bernie want to play nice. >> michael briggs reacted to clinton saying she'll be the nominee. he notes voters in indiana, west virginia and oregon respectfully disa agreed and points to the latest polling, says it's clear that millions of americans have growing doubts about the clinton campaign. >> we should point out that bernie sanders accepted our invitation to the debate in california. we're waiting official word from hillary clinton. >>> a former hillary clinton aide has testified under oath about his knowledge of her private email practices. louis lukens worked for clinton when she was secretary of state. he spoke for two hours in a deposition that is part of a lawsuit by conservative group judicial watch. at least five other officials are scheduled to testify. this is separate from the fbi's investigation into clinton's emails. >>> hillary clinton is promising to let her husband run the economy if she wins. but is all the nostalgia over the prosperous bill clinton year

. >> charlie manson has great name i.d., too.mp to -- >> there's a close relationship between name recognition, especially in the primary, name recognition and votes. >> let me pose to you guys one way in which -- two ways in which the name id. even if it's name i.d. for rachet reasons does help. number one, he doesn't have to pay to get that. number two, it does soften up in a sense the media. it softens up the way he's covered. fernand, it makes people feel that he's familiar and i would argue that it has prevented a sharper scrutiny of him even by us. >> exactly right because it's a short cut relationship. lot of americans have already had definitions of donald trump. by the same token, hillary clinton is as big a celebrity as donald trump is. that's why i think this is the first american idol presidency. people talk about the reality tv nature of this election, and it's exactly that, because you have two celebrities already and american -- >> she's not a celebrity. >> of course she is. she is known to every american in the un