i'm joined by british shop gregory mansour.ou for coming in. >> thank you. >> you were as shocked as the rest of us? >> i was. >> i think he indicates in his statement that this is really a game changer for the future of the church. >> it is, but more importantly, he puts the church first and the mission of the church first, and the ministry of the church as he said very beautifully in the said, when he no longer -- he doesn't resign, he and indicates, which is a hard word. not in the negative sense, but he lets go. he lets go and trusts that the cardinal -- college of cardinals and the holy spirit will do the work that needs to elect his successor. >> there is, i think, an overall assessment, an overall feeling by americans, and even american catholics that there are great difficulties in the american catholic church. we all know, of course, about you priest sex abuse scandal, but what has been for many years a dearth of vocations. the priests who say mass for you are not from the united states are from africa, from mexico, fr