it's just a newly created officer i'm going to recommend to the chief mantha health and safety officer start -- to the chief that the health and safety officer start attending these meetings because there's a lot of things they could learn by attending these meetings. we had an officer before who tried to accept people with addictions and things of that nature. but even there, coordinated with the city e.a.p. because they didn't want their employer to hear about this, and even though this was supposed to be confidential, they would rather maybe go through another avenue. and then, on a case-by-case basis, like in the '89 earthquake, they contracted with behavioral sciences to come in and come to the fire houses and talk to the firefighters as to what they're experiencing, and for the first time, i was shocked. some firefighters started crying about their experiences. and then, there was peer pressure. they didn't want it viewed by everyone. i'm a little wimp because i didn't respond like all the macho guys responded. so if they can go as individuals rather than group setting is rather