saturday well amid that dispute with russia german chancellor angela merkel and french president in manuel mccall held a virtual defense and security council meeting on friday afternoon it was their 1st since u.s. president joe biden took office but the strain ties with russia overshadowed the talks berlin and paris paris have taken different approaches to dealing with moscow after alexian of all he was jailed both however condemned russia's actions. and do you ever use chief international editor richard walker was listening in to that press conference for us and he joins us for more hi richard are we going to see any type of retaliation here from germany or for press. yeah i mean there's such a litany of disagreements between the e.u. and russia right now that it's almost hard to know where to begin of course the news of these expulsions of these 3 diplomats including one german one accused by russia of having taken part in protests over what's happened with alexei navalny just the latest news to happen something that both leaders did condemn as we just heard but there was no talk of additional