were not down to a map yet but we have maps they are out. >> are looking for public feedback on the nine maps, what is the next process step? mid november deadline they're looking for public comment and put than they will choose a map and try to negotiate that out between the partisan interest on that body. does the state legislature have veto power over the maps? >> they don't. it's five members there is a fifth tiebreaker chair who this cycle was aborted by the montana supreme court and is it non- partisan arbiter there. and has the authority they can do what they want too. the legislature at times tries to pass legislation duration it gets interesting legal questions about whether that legislation actually constrain the body. they go off and do their thing and make a decision this is not the person that had two representatives is it? were one of the few states that had to in the past and drop down because other states were going faster. and now we have grown fast enough we get our second seatback. some of the dynamic here is people looking at what the districts were way back in the da

under proposed map if these maps get challenged in court. there's talk the whole process could end up in court? >> undoubtedly. 1965 here in texas they have challenged every map since the 1970s. and they won every decade since then. their president who is based here in dallas had already told senate committees are no changes to this map to reflect the growth of the hispanic population and texas for they will undoubtedly challenge these maps again. >> 38 million people in texas, 38 congressional districts in 2022. james is with the texas tribune, we appreciate your time. >> thank you for having me. the number 45 members of congress down to 27, what is happening there? >> the population has moved south and west. the sunbelt and the west continue to gain seats while new york has ebbed for a long time for even though new york is losing one district, they were pretty lucky not to lose too. census data shows new york city with a more robust population gain an estimate suggested. new york came within 26 residents of keeping all 27 of its seats at t

republicans get to draw the maps in 20 states, totaling 187 districts. that is because state legislatures, for the most part are the ones that bear responsibility, compared to 75 districts in eight states that democrats control. republicans get to drop more than twice as may districts as democrats. there are also 10 states that use independent or bipartisan commissions that total 121 districts. there are six states with control split between the legislature of one and governor of the other. that adds up to 46 districts. there are six states that only have one district in the upcoming decade and do not need to divide their state into multiple seats. >> six states are gaining members of congress, texas, florida, north carolina, oregon, montana and colorado. seven states are losing a member, new york, pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, illinois and west virginia. when people move out of estate, like illinois or west virginia, two states have lost population, each of los a c, did they take politics with them, are they moving out of frustration? >> we increasingly

the commission is hoping to put their final maps are semi final maps out for the public. it's going to be. for people to comment on it. then they are hoping to come back, make some tweaks if they have to and then publish the maps on december 30. then the maps will become available soon after the become the law soon after. >> host: 's of the legislature and the governor have no role in saying gay or nay to these maps? >> no roll. that is significant other states the legislature has to give approval or the governor to give approval. but in michigan is the only one that draws the maps. and so they really do not need to hear from that legislature. at the end of the day what it is doing is creating a safer space or at least a space that is free of the letter the influence from the legislature or the executive. >> host: finally what is bridge, michigan? >> great question it is a non- partisan ella for the stately focus on policy, politics in truly trying to go deep on the stories that matter to the people and try to break down issues of importance like redistricting they're not

or their semi final maps out there for the public. that s they will hold a 45 day period for people to comment on it and then they hope to come back and make some tweaks if they have to and then publish the maps december 30, and then the maps will become available soon after-- they will become the law soon after it. >> the legislature and the governor have no role in saying yay or nay to these maps? >> no roll and that's significant because in other states the legislature might have approval or the governor gives approval, but in michigan, the independent commission is the only one that draws the maps and so they really don't need to hear from the legislature. the governor's office, i think it is creating safer space or at least a space that is free of a lot of the influence from the legislature or the executive. >> finally,-- [inaudible] >> rate question p or it's a nonprofit and nonpartisan the alpha. we are trying to go deep on the stories that matter to the people and try to break down issues of importance like redistricting that

the commission is hoping to put their final maps are semi final -- or their semi final maps out for the public. it's going to be. for people to comment on it. then they are hoping to come back, make some tweaks if they have to and then publish the maps on december 30. then the maps will become available soon after the become the law soon after. >> so the legislature and the governor have no role in saying gay or nay to these maps? >> no role. that is significant other states the legislature has to give approval or the governor to give approval. but in michigan is the -- this independent commission is the only one that draws the maps. and so they really do not need to hear from that legislature. at the end of the day what it is doing is creating a safer space or at least a space that is free of the letter the influence from the legislature or the executive. >> what is bridge, michigan? >> great question. it is a nonpartisan nonprofit outlet. we focus on policy and politics and we are trying to go deep on the stories that matter to the people and trying to break down issues of importance

a map that's more aggressive for democrats.rymander is the state in a way to get democrats up to 23 of the states 26 districts. dimension the advisory commission this is a bipartisan commission of ten members that was established by a ballot initiative passed by voters. and yet it has been slow to function. the five democrats and five republicans have to come to some kind of consensus in order to advance redistricting maps to the legislature for consideration. there is actually a separate ballot initiative on the ballot this fall that could allow the legislature more leeway if it even proposals at all. it's an end around imposing their will on the map. >> joshua solomon as a reporter with the albany times union. mr. solomon, where was newark's population loss? >> i appreciate you guys bringing me on. a lot of it was upstate, new york more rural populations. as you'd expect in the city, there were population increases appears almost exclusively in the new york city metropolitan area you sell the population increase. and elsewher

i want to put this map up there to look at the map proposed by illinois democrats, which create a number of oddly shaped districts for republican incumbents. should democrats be wary of going too far, or is this just them playing by the same playbook the republicans have been playing for years. how do you get a system where both parties cut this out? >> well, it's democrats who are fighting for the john lewis voting rights act. it is democrats who are fighting in congress to ensure that we eliminate partisan gerrymandering. and i will say over the last decade, you have seen democrats really prioritize state legislative seats because what we have seen before that is republicans have really owned the game. they have constantly invested in state legislative seats. they've attempted to flip them. and we weren't doing that for a very long time. we weren't investing in those organizations. and organizations like the dlcc who is putting lot of money into state legislative seats because we understand it is important for redistricting and it has implications moving forward. so, while i do think t

to try and change that map. instead, requesting a conference committee where members of both chambers could hush out their differences, but with the special session ended on tuesday, time is running out to reach a deal. now partisan redistricting is not exclusive to republicans. let's be clear about that. but there is a big difference. national democrats support measures to ban parties with -- that said on friday illinois democrats said the redistricting proposal that would eliminate the seat helped by republican adam. this morning when congressman was asked why he didn't support the john lewis wright act, -- would restore the preclearance provision. watch. >> you can call the build the voting rights act and left wing twitter goes nuts about this, by the, way and say that you voted against voting rights. without even looking at the details of this. and the quick details, the voting rights act in the mid sixties came up with a temporary provision called preclearance. that one opportunity was intended to be tempor

your map shows thewest side of the city and not the east . i know a lot of work is going on at the southeast treatment plant and there's also a part of thecity i represent , the northpoint plant and wondered what you have to say about those and why you're not on the map. >> only because most of the larger lands where we actually have the treatment arelocated on the westside . not any other particularreason . >> . [please stand by] . >> that was long overdue, i think, and i'm glad that we were able to take that on. it was something that, i think, was good for the city, and it came about as a result of our effort and came about with an estimate of how much it would cost to maintain the trees so we could see how much would be needed to pay for this bond measure, which was prop e, the one before by voters in 2016, and it was approved by a 79% rate and created a set-aside from the general fund of about $19 million that gets adjusted based on the current budget. go ahead. >> supervisor peskin: i'm sorry, but when i went on look and looked -- on-lin

you use the census data as a road map and that is how you know the maps are fair and reflecting what the voters want in that state. >> as i mentioned anti-trump republican adam kinzinger would be remapped into a left leaning congressional district in illinois under those maps. have a listen to what he had to say today about why he voted against the john lewis voting rights act. >> the voting rights act in the mid '60s came out with a temporary provision called preclearance which required certain states to get clearance for any changes to any election system that they did. that went on into perpetuity. it was intended to be temporary. in 2013 the u.s. supreme court threw that provision out and said history changes. we can't keep pretending it is 1965. >> but don't we need preclearance still when we look at how republicans are redrawing the maps in texas? it is starting to look like 1965, is it not? >> we absolutely do need preclearance which is why what you're seeing from democrats in congress is a very intense and intentional effort to restore the preclearance provision in the voting

an effort to create new maps in states across the country. then williams is joining us to talk about it. we are taking your phone calls for this last half-hour of washington journal. republicans, the number -- then williams, what is the biggest problem that -- been -- ben williams, what is the biggest problem? >> the timeline is one of the biggest issues. there is a more public awareness than there has been in the past. the public wants to be engaged. we are trying to figure out how to take all that input. whether it be a hearing or something set up by the legislature, archive and consolidate it in a systemic way , rather than looking at 10,000 pieces of input and not being able to paint a picture of what is being told. >> what is your advice, coming up against that time crunch? especially when courts play a role. we are looking at stories like this. the redistricting plan. that is also going to affect the timeline, coming up on a ticking clock. >> they are doing their best to complete redistricting on time. it is -- there will be a lot of ca

new maps. yesterday texas' republican governor greg abbott signed in to law, texas' new congressional district map. texas got two new congressional districts added this year. two new members of congress added from texas because of a huge population boom driven almost entirely by non-white people. 95% of texas' population growth. it's new residents over the last ten years for people of color. 95%. texas gained 11 new residents who are hispanic or latino for every one new white resident over the past ten years, but that doesn't mean they get represented in congress. texas' new congressional map gives both of its new districts to white majority voting populations. the new map reduces the number of hispanic majority districts from eight to seven despite the huge growth in the latino population. the new maps eliminate entirely texas' only congressional district where black voters were the majority. even before governor greg abbott signed the maps into law, a group of latino advocacy groups and citiz

the more important part of this is how lines are drawn from state to state and they get to draw the maptates totaling 187 districts. that is because the legislatures for the most part are the ones who have responsibility compared to 75 just irks in eight states that they control. so they get to draw more than twice as many districts as democrats. there are also 10 states the use of independent or bipartisan commission that total 121 districts in six states with a split between the legislature of one party and a governor of the other and said that as of 246 districts. and then there are six states that only have one district in the upcoming decade and don't need to divide the states. well, six of them are gaining members of congress, florida, montana, colorado, seven states are losing a member of congress, ohio, illinois and other states as well. and do they take the politics with them? are they moving out of frustration? >> we are increasingly hearing of voters that are throwing their hands up in the air with the state becoming inhospitable for their political beliefs. now it takes a lo

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so you use the census as a road map and that is how you know that the maps are fair and reflecting what the voters want in that state. >> so as i mentioned, anti trump republican adam kinzinger, listen to what he had to say. >> the voting rights act in the mid '60s came out with a provision called preclearance that required certain states to get clearance for any election system they did. that went on into perp pewty. in 2013 the u.s. supreme court said history changes. we can't keep pretending like it 1965 but don't we need preclearance still? when we look how republicans are redrawing the maps in texas, it's starting to look like 1965, is it not? >> we absolutely do need preclearance, which is why what you see from democrats in congress is a very intense and intentional effort to restore the preclearance provision in the voting rights act and to not only pass the freedom to vote act but you saw the house pass the john lewis voting rights advancement act. i will tell you congressman kinzinger voted against that bill. they have the opportunity to restore the act and stand by the protect

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i want to start with the consequences of those maps.re's so much that we are asking people to care about right now. we're asking them to care about the infrastructure and reconciliation plans that are on capitol hill. we're asking them to care about voting rights. we're asking them to care about the supreme court's very full docket. talk to me about the consequences of getting this right and getting this wrong. >> ten years ago, i was the assistant attorney general for civil rights, running the civil rights division. i always say the most important year in voting rights is the year that ends in a 1. why is that, alicia? because that's when we have the census data and when we have redistricting, and when we have major league shenanigans. now, ten years ago, we had a tool at our disposal, section five of the voting rights act. if they had try today do what they're doing now in texas ten years ago, it never would have seen the light of day. what happened in georgia with their voter i.d. laws, all the other things, the redistricting, the bu

the new maps.exas's republican governor greg abbott, officially signed into law the new congressional districts map. texas got two new congressional districts added this shear, to new members of congress from texas this year. because of a huge population, boom that was driven almost entirely, by non white people. 95% of texas's population growth, its new residents over the last ten years, or people of color. 95%. texas gained 11 new residents who are hispanic or latino, for everyone knew white residents, over the past ten years. but that does not mean they get represented in congress. texas's new congressional map gives both of its new districts, two white majority voting populations. the new map reduces the number have a spanish majority districts from eight, to seven. despite the huge growth in the latino population, the new maps eliminating entirely texas only congressional district where black voters were the majority. even before governor greg abbott signed these new maps in the, law a group o

just reiterate we need mapping tools now so that every day people can start mapping communities. all of the surrounding counties, santa clara, contra costa county have mapping tools online. we need training available to the public to understand the mapping tools. the los angeles task force had a dozen meetings in september and three community map drawing workshops, one in spanish. i can't express enough we need this website as soon as possible to have the communities drawing maps. thank you for everything you are doing. >> next caller, please. >> i wanted to empathies this is important given the relative difference in growth in the city has occurred. where we have seen matt haney's district grow because of the downtown location and the districts not very much at all. it is especially to move the boundaries in this direction. as we can see this is a process that happens every decade, very rarely. we should consider what direction the city is growing in. since we can see construction occurring only be in district 6, then maybe we should be further decreasing district 6 in the expec

this is not the 2018 map where they were defending so many red states or the 2014 map or the 2010 mapy had to defend. they have to defend a lot of purple states. i think the bigger challenge for democrats is nevada, new hampshire, right. those are the places, georgia, arizona, holding on to those states, that still gets you -- you got your 50, you held on, can you get one more by picking up a wisconsin, a pennsylvania? but, yes, we are going to look for signs in pennsylvania and there's -- there's a good chance you might see in this battle for those battleground states two extremes of the conversation we've had, up really, really left blue, one really, really trumpy red in a swing state. >> and you touched on this earlier. one of the ways to change minds or win voters in these places is to come to them and say we did these things. we did these things and they are tangible in your life. vote for us. >> right, and so one area that they have, you know, pointed to as a legislative win is the child tax credit, right, but there was a politico morning consult poll out this week that said 40%

>>> republicans redrawing the map. how do democrats beat them at their own gauge. >>> age is not a thing when it comes to comedy. let's begin this hour in washington, where morning begins a blockbuster term for the nation's high court. efforts continue across the street on capitol hill, to advance the build back better agenda. democrats debating over the $3.5 trillion price tag of the plan that will invest in child care, paid family leave, and universal pre-k. this is bernie sanders on "meet the press" mps. be? is not a wish list. the democrats can come together. and i think we can. to finally do what working families do in this desperately want us to do. >> you say democrats in congress have a lot on their plate. they also work to pass voting rights legislation and protect abortion access. these are priorities that come into sharper focus when the supreme court returns for a new term monday. keep in mind, this is a con serbtive supermajority court. three of donald trump's judicial nominees on the bench. that has many

and basically said that the federal government did not have to preclear the maps.ormal circumstances this map would have been thrown out the door, it would have never made it to the governor's desk. now unfortunately organizations like mine, voto latino and the organization that focuses redistricting, we are suing because we recognize that the way the constitution is written, the way redistricting is written is that we should be able to elect people who reflect our values. in this case, sadly the fact that the districts were allocated to two white districts that are going to be disproportionately republican does not allow the voters to vote for their representatives. that's why we are suing. because we are suing under section two of the voting rights act, that piece of legislation believe it or not, that law is still alive and kicking. we do expect it to be heard, and we do expect favorable outcomes. but here's the thing -- groups such as ours should not be suing. this should be mandated by the federal level, and that's why if the democrats and the republicans were

just reiterate we need mapping tools now so that every day people can start mapping communities. all of the surrounding counties, santa clara, contra costa county have mapping tools online. we need training available to the public to understand the mapping tools. the los angeles task force had a dozen meetings in september and three community map drawing workshops, one in spanish. i can't express enough we need this website as soon as possible to have the communities drawing maps. thank you for everything you are doing. >> next caller, please. >> i wanted to empathies this is important given the relative difference in growth in the city has occurred. where we have seen matt haney's district grow because of the downtown location and the districts not very much at all. it is especially to move the boundaries in this direction. as we can see this is a process that happens every decade, very rarely. we should consider what direction the city is growing in. since we can see construction occurring only be in district 6, then maybe we should be further decreasing district 6 in the expec

ai, you can make maps that are the same as the territory. when you make a map that can encompass the territory of the universe, it is so complex that it is no longer has the age interpretation. it becomes the universe. and, so, it is just a misconception of how the mind works, how computation functions you can program it to do anything. you can program a computer, a human being can program a computer to read a book and translate the book into some other symbol system. but, still, you have to have somebody at the had to take the symbols and interpret them in terms of some human reality. >> technologist, economists, the author of 19 books, a founding member of the discovery institute b. ending ai, why ai cannot think, but can transform jobs. thanks once again for being on book tv. >> thank you so much. great to be here. >> former investment banker argued that government bureaucrats use the covid-19 pandemic to crush small businesses and make wall street richer. here's a portion of that discussion. >> when i talk to people about how many big bu

the commission is set to release a draft map of newly drawn districts by november 15th the map has toth want to be as equitable as possible. and we have the criteria and the good thing about. >> the independent commission is that it is independent commission. it's 14 californians that. legislature's aren't some sort elected position and we understand the importance of individuals wanting to have representatives that represent them. >> the commission has its next meeting. this wednesday starting at 11:00am. and that's when the public will start to see some of the submissions for ideas for potential maps either regionally or statewide the commission this week is taking public comment through friday reporting at the state capitol. ashley zavala kron 4 news. >> new video tonight at 6 a helicopter crew helped rescue. 2 people who got lost while hiking the pacific crest trail in the sierra the nevada county sheriff's search and rescue team and a chp helicopter started their search between sierra city and gory out the hikers become separated in last before spending the night in the mountains

and prevent these new maps from being used in the upcoming 2022 midterm elections. hoping to present their own version of these maps and what they are saying is essentially that they believe that at least -- at the very least, one of these two new congressional seats here in the state of texas should be drawn in a way where it increases the likelihood of latino representation. at this point, they say they are going backwards, not forwards. >> ed, thank you very much. and next, president biden's nominee for ambassador to china going to be the ambassador. but he said something loud and clearly. he said china's a threat to the u.s. and the democratic world. whether it's ensuring food arrives as fresh as when it departs... keeping crews connected as they help build communities... or providing patients the care they need, even at home. we are the leader in 5g and a partner who delivers exceptional customer support and facebook advertising, on us. network. support. value. no trade-offs. unconventional thinking, it's better for business. at fidelity, your dedicated advisor

, again, there are more details on the website but if you can see this map, this is a map of the frequent alternative that shows where service would be not restored and where service would be improved. the gold on this map is service not restored. the pink is where service would get more frequent on existing routes. and here's a similar map for the hybrid alternative. so why are we going through this process? why are we not simply restoring the routes the way that they were before the covid pandemic? one reason is that we have seen a dramatic change in travel patterns. we no longer have tens of thousands -- hundreds of thousands -- of commuters to downtown office buildings every morning and every evening. our system has historically been built around serving those commute trips during peak hours or rush hours. that's why you see so many muni routes that kind of radiate out from downtown. what we have seen during the pandemic is that our cross town routes that connect neighborhoods have remained very strong, particularly our busiest corridors have continued to be very busy, even during cov

white verse are majority in 60% of the maps' districts.ke up 39% of the state population are a majority in just 18% of the districts. black and asian texans make up under 12. the thing that makes this notable is the population growth which allowed texas these two new seats is 95% attributable to people of color. now a latino legal rights organization, the mexican american legal defense and educational fund, is suing the governor and the deputy secretary of state to block the map from taking effect saying it illegally and unconstitutionally dilutes the voting strength of voters in texas. she joins me now. firstly, let's start with what the ground rules of the voting rights act and the constitution say about this process. what is the sort of guidance in terms of equal representation here? we know that there is an imperative for majority/minority districts or districts where non-white members can be elected because. diversity of constituency. what is the baseline we look at to judge this map by? >> well, that's exactly right. there is a legal