mars very well. the rovers have demonstrated how easy it is to do that. one other thing about the rovers is they don't operate alone and preprogrammed. there are whole teams here on earth that are charting out their itineraries and scheduling their activities. and when they are working on the mission, in their heads, they are on mars with the rover. and they even wear watches where they set their watch to martian time. the martian day is 24 hours and 39 minutes. so their day is just enough longer than ours that for the people working on earth, each day they start work 39 minutes later. the days creep ahead for them. so when this museum opened in 1976, we were wrapping up a golden age of human exploration with the "apollo" missions to the moon, and we were launching into the first golden age of planetary exploration with the missions of the 1970s to mars and to the outer planets. we're now in another golden age of planetary exploration, particularly on mars with curiosity rover so actively exploring t

mars very well. the rovers have demonstrated how easy it is to do that. one other thing about the rovers is they don't operate alone and preprogrammed. there are whole teams here on earth that are charting out their itineraries and scheduling their activities. and when they are working on the mission, in their heads, they are on mars with the rover. and they even wear watches where they set their watch to martian time. the martian day is 24 hours and 39 minutes. so their day is just enough longer than ours that for the people working on earth, each day they start work 39 minutes later. the days creep ahead for them. so when this museum opened in 1976, we were wrapping up a golden age of human exploration with the "apollo" missions to the moon, and we were launching into the first golden age of planetary exploration with the missions of the 1970s to mars and to the outer planets. we're now in another golden age of planetary exploration, particularly on mars with curiosity rover so actively exploring t

mar or one of his legislative aids. >> he mined the subsequence of mr. hart when they found he failed to respond what they ordered is you should go to the training session to found out how you're to prove or disprove respond; is that correct? >> yes. and no, he - that was part of it but the other part was reply to mr. hartsz i dr and the second findings where the first one they said we'll not find willful but he violated the ordinance and tell you to center lane it out but a year later another hearing here we are and still not come applied with the order and didn't participate in the process you know and you still have not given us an explanation that was not respond to a year and months later unanimously that was willful no way we can't call that willful. >> for a point of the information the definition in the sunshine ordnance we've adapted will full means an action to respond or failure to act was a violation of sunshine ordnance so repeated that the order was issued to the supervisor mar with constitute informing him you're not responding to the i dr

mar or one of his legislative aids. >> he mined the subsequence of mr. hart when they found he failed to respond what they ordered is you should go to the training session to found out how you're to prove or disprove respond; is that correct? >> yes. and no, he - that was part of it but the other part was reply to mr. hartsz i dr and the second findings where the first one they said we'll not find willful but he violated the ordinance and tell you to center lane it out but a year later another hearing here we are and still not come applied with the order and didn't participate in the process you know and you still have not given us an explanation that was not respond to a year and months later unanimously that was willful no way we can't call that willful. >> for a point of the information the definition in the sunshine ordnance we've adapted will full means an action to respond or failure to act was a violation of sunshine ordnance so repeated that the order was issued to the supervisor mar with constitute informing him you're not responding to the i dr

mar or one of his legislative aids. >> he mined the subsequence of mr. hart when they found he failed to respond what they ordered is you should go to the training session to found out how you're to prove or disprove respond; is that correct? >> yes. and no, he - that was part of it but the other part was reply to mr. hartsz i dr and the second findings where the first one they said we'll not find willful but he violated the ordinance and tell you to center lane it out but a year later another hearing here we are and still not come applied with the order and didn't participate in the process you know and you still have not given us an explanation that was not respond to a year and months later unanimously that was willful no way we can't call that willful. >> for a point of the information the definition in the sunshine ordnance we've adapted will full means an action to respond or failure to act was a violation of sunshine ordnance so repeated that the order was issued to the supervisor mar with constitute informing him you're not responding to the i dr

mar or one of his legislative aids. >> he mined the subsequence of mr. hart when they found he failed to respond what they ordered is you should go to the training session to found out how you're to prove or disprove respond; is that correct? >> yes. and no, he - that was part of it but the other part was reply to mr. hartsz i dr and the second findings where the first one they said we'll not find willful but he violated the ordinance and tell you to center lane it out but a year later another hearing here we are and still not come applied with the order and didn't participate in the process you know and you still have not given us an explanation that was not respond to a year and months later unanimously that was willful no way we can't call that willful. >> for a point of the information the definition in the sunshine ordnance we've adapted will full means an action to respond or failure to act was a violation of sunshine ordnance so repeated that the order was issued to the supervisor mar with constitute informing him you're not responding to the i dr

yes, mars was always...he only world whose surface you can see apart from the moon, which was obviously dead, so you could project your fantasies on it. which we did. all the way through to the 1960s, actually, when the first space probes went past and it was much more like the moon, as it turns out. now we believe life of some kind might be up there. yes, it is the motherload of dreams. you talk about projecting ourfantasies. is that really what science fiction is about? well, i think you could say that science fiction is about... it's not about the future, or in other words it's about the here and now, predicting our concerns, in a way. so with wells and war of the worlds he was reflecting late victorian angst about imperialism and colonialism and the damage it can do to the colonial conscience, for one thing. now i think we could look at it as a metaphor for climate change. you know, the martians‘ planet has collapsed in a terrible way and migrants, heavily armed migrants, come to the earth. what is it th

. >> supervisor mar. and no. >> supervisor peskin. >> aye. >> there are four eyes and seven nos with supervisor's -- and six nos with supervisor's tang, yee, campos, farrell, kim and mar in the descent. >> the motion fails. supervisor mar. >> i like to make the motion we appoint professor hing to the police commission, term ended april 30, 2018. >> there's no need to make a motion since it's already on the agenda. >> but it felt good to say. >> let me just, you know, say seeing no other names on the roster, you know, i'm just not there yet. i, again, am -- i really appreciate the comments of supervisor campos. i'm not necessarily opposed, but i'm not at a place at this time with the information i have to feel comfortable enough to support this decision and you know, i look forward to the opportunity to get to know professor hing and to understand him a lot more, but i just don't feel comfortable. this is a really important seat, and i want to feel good about the decision and i'm just not there. there's a

fundamentally i want to thank mar. all the people that have worked on this legislation, my staff don and everybody would came together, again we've made a ton of amendments over the past month and a half and about internet access and it's a right in our city and as consumer report -- and i hope to have your support. speaker: thank you, and seeing no other name oz the roster, on item number 69, madam clerk, call the roll. >> supervisor tang. speaker: aye. >> supervisor yee. speaker: aye. speaker: supervisor avalos. >> aye. speaker: supervisor breed. >> aye. >> supervisor campos. >> aye. >> supervisor cohen. >> aye. >> supervisor farrell. speaker: aye. >> supervisor kim. >> aye. >> supervisor mar. >> aye. >> supervisor peskin. speaker: aye. >> there are ten ayes. >> the ordinance is passed. please read our imperative items. >> we have two imperative item from supervisor avalos. the first is a resolution finding that have work spaces and entertainment venues that are valuable -- and urging various city departments to addr

speaker: no. >> supervisor mar. and no. >> supervisor peskin. >> aye. >> there are four eyes and seven nos with supervisor's -- and six nos with supervisor's tang, yee, campos, farrell, kim and mar in the descent. >> the motion fails. supervisor mar. >> i like to make the motion we appoint professor hing to the police commission, term ended april 30, 2018. >> there's no need to make a motion since it's already on the agenda. >> but it felt good to say. >> let me just, you know, say seeing no other names on the roster, you know, i'm just not there yet. i, again, am -- i really appreciate the comments of supervisor campos. i'm not necessarily opposed, but i'm not at a place at this time with the information i have to feel comfortable enough to support this decision and you know, i look forward to the opportunity to get to know professor hing and to understand him a lot more, but i just don't feel comfortable. this is a really important seat, and i want to feel good about the decision and i'm just not there. there's a

stams, commissioner mar? >> commissioner mar to restate the action. >> i know that we have this in front of us, but it was basically to maintain the local stop in colin and geary especially in response to seniors and others that urged to keeping that colin street local stop. >> motion made and seconded, colleagues, can we take that without objection, same house, same call, that amendment is adopted. commissioner mar has moved the item now as twice amended. mr. stams, if you could have a roll call on that vote, please. >>clerk: all right. on the amended item 4. commissioner avalos. >> one second. counsel is waving. >> i'm sorry, commissioner mar's motion, mr. mar, if you would remotion to move item 4 for the certification and findings and adoption of the monitoring and mitigation and the selection of the hybrid alternative as locally preferred alternative and stated in the agenda item no. 4 as guys amended, if you would move that. >>supervisor eric mar: so moved. >> seconded by commissioner breed. on that item

this is nasa's next mars rover, the 20 rover. this is the mars 2020 rover. it's not been built yet.they can see you but they can see this rover in the way. you can see them, you can't see anything so they look like a couple of loons. who would use this? right now we are using it on many of our missions, as spacecraft designers, our mechanical engineers are able to design, being able to visualise this tool before they build it. it's been an amazing tool for them to use. i'm hearing we've got time for one more volunteer. if there's anyone else who would like to experience it? i have to have a go. i have to come onto the stage and have a go with the hololens. i've always wanted to look at mars! applause. as patrick moore: my goodness. this is inspiring me. what a very fine rover that is! i think that will be very good at navigating around. however, i don't think we can park it there. it might get clamped! i don't know what to call him now. sir patrick moore... john culshaw, thank you so much! also victor and alex! you keep it. applause. you can keep it! how much fun was that? would you

speaker: no. >> supervisor mar.nd no. >> supervisor peskin. >> aye. >> there are four eyes and seven nos with supervisor's -- and six nos with supervisor's tang, yee, campos, farrell, kim and mar in the descent. >> the motion fails. supervisor mar. >> i like to make the motion we appoint professor hing to the police commission, term ended april 30, 2018. >> there's no need to make a motion since it's already on the agenda. >> but it felt good to say. >> let me just, you know, say seeing no other names on the roster, you know, i'm just not there yet. i, again, am -- i really appreciate the comments of supervisor

the signal came from a spacecraft between here and mars in outer space. my breath, thinking all those electrons gone lost up there in space. and all these vips standing around looking at this ribbon and this mechanical shearing device and nothing would happen. but believe it or not, all the electrons did their cute little things and the ribbon got snipped and the building got opened. it was good. at the peak of the apollo program when neil armstrong stepped out onto the surface of the moon, that i think was kind of the peak of the interest that the american public had. buildings like this do a lot to sustain that level of interest. and that's one of the things that i think is very important about this beautiful surrounding, the national air and space museum, which is a vital part of the smithsonian institution. [ applause ] >> the museum general collins built, like the ship he flew to the moon, is a priceless treasure to the people of the world. and i'm honored to follow in his footsteps as director. as he mentioned, there was tension about whether the si

>> supervisor mar. >> thank you, president breed.y first amendment is including the 5 gallons or less. >> in the -- is that 5-gallon or less include -- does that 5-gallon or less is what we see in our offices, in a lot of the offices in the city. the dispensaries. >> when former mayor implemented his executive order reducing the use of single use plastic water bottles, i know our office eliminated the water, the big water container in our office. in our city, our best source tap water come from our hedge reservoir, not from imported plastic jugs. with the city, we spend somewhat -- some where around $98,000 a year on this type of water in our offices. what i do in my office is we have pitchers of water that's provided to folks so that we're not using more and more plastic and that we are being consistent in policies like this. this policy was strongly urged by our department of the environment and i would strongly urge support for it. >> and i guess the question -- this is considered a single use container then? that's why i'm confus

i just also want to thank supervisor avalos, supervisor campos and supervisor mar as well. and i just want to say that supervisor farrell and i have not always seen eye to eye on the three of you on many issues but i want to say very publicly that all of you have collectively really pushed my own personal boundaries and challenged me to think really deeply about what it is that i believe in and how it is that, you know given whether it's finite resources or what have you how it is that we make things happen. so, i do want to thank you for that because without people like you to push me, i don't think that i could also grow in this role. and so, to supervisor avalos, i will say we used to work together as legislative aides and you had a seamless transition becoming a supervisor. i so enjoyed seeing all of your work especially tackling environmental issues around transportation i think the ta you have been a wonderful advocate in your district. i think is wonderful the improvements you can make with transportation dollars and supervisor mar, your work as well. and a recently

commissioner mar. and let me just say as to mr. lebrons, admonition which i certainly am cognizant of in so far as if the ffga, the full funding grant agreement doesn't happen, i don't think we are in any jeopardy of committing $50 million that we would only need to commit if there were cost over runs far and above the $316 million of contingency that is currently in the almost $2 billion budget. but as a former and once again member of this body painfully remember how much transbay phase one has been over budget. so having those kind of protocols which i think we have taken very seriously is remarkably important to me and i know remarkably important to you. so with that, be on the amendment, colleagues, can we take that without objection? >> the change, the house has changed. that is true. we have been joined by commissioners kim and farrell. on the amendment, a roll call please. >> on the amendment, commissioner avalos, aye, commissioner breed, aye, commissioner campos, aye, commissioner cohen, aye,

having a human mission to mars by about 2030 or so. if that should happen, that will probably be the stellar attraction in the museum by the time the next major anniversary rolls around. >>> you can watch this or other "american artifacts" programs at any time by visiting our website. c-span.org/history. >>> we're back live now at the smithsonian national air and space museum where the museum today is celebrating its 40th birthday. it was 40 years ago today that president gerald ford dedicated this museum. in about a half hour, we'll bring you live coverage of the events celebrating that anniversary. in the meantime, we want to hear from you. our phone lines are open. 202-748-8900 for those in the eastern or central time zones. if you live out west, 202-748-8901. send us a tweet at c-span history or join us on facebook at facebook.com/cspanhistory. of course as we move outside to inside one of the displays, and there are so many inside this fabulous museum, is "moving beyond earth." and an example of the evolution of america's space sh

mar? >> present. peskin? >> present. tang >> absent. commissioner yee. >> present. >> we have quorum. >> item two, chair report, as our director will be recounting the accomplishments of the year and we will hold our chair elections in a moment, i am going to make my remarks extremely brief. with the adoption of plan bay area preferred scenario by the mtc and abag we are well posed to advocate for the priority projects in the bridge toll talks, which commence this week at the mtc. that is the met political transportation commission. thank you, so much, commissioner david campos for representing us in those discussions tomorrow and we look forward to see the culmination through 2017, 18, when the voters will have the opportunity to approve much needed funds for transportation, i am hopeful that our local communities will also come together next year to develop a companion local transportation funding measure that can integrate closely with the regional measure in 2018. to fund our local contributions to bart caltrain and high speed rail,

this is the way mar-a-lago conducts business. and forget about the money that trump receives from this. and would have received whether he was president-elect or not. the specter he is essentially allowing anyone who has the money to either buy a member ship or the access to someone who has a membership who can pay for a ticket to something like this creates the appearance of forget about the possible business partners who were in there or the celebrities. it's the people who want to get access to trump . it's an amazing deal for any potential business person. or a person who wants to do business with the united states government, special interests, lobbyists. you could just imagine going down the line for those this would be an amazing deal. >> look at the contrast here. he ran a campaign saying because he has money and a business he won't be beholden to these interests. that was a big selling point for him. a lot of people believed it, naively or not. he will fundraise less. and there's a truth to that. but that truth seems to

you nona melkonian and charles kremenak to my left is commissioner coppel and joined by commissioner mar and to any far left is commissioner avalos like to point out supervisor avalos and mr. clerk, any announcements? >> yes. electronic devices. completed speaker cards and documents to be included should be submitted to the clerk. items acted upon today will appear on the tuesday, january 12, 2016, board of supervisors agenda unless otherwise stated. >> all right. thank you and joined by sxhafshg to let you know we have a lot before us today but commissioner cohen's has a 1:30 land use committee trying to get through that mr. richie item one. >> 9 members for the february 2015 to the balboa advisory committee 9 seats and 10 applicants and our last rules committee on thursday we held a hearing and heard into some of the applicants and united states of america to supervisor avalos. >> thank you yes, we heard from 4 applicant on friday and 9 names to be provided to the for our approval of the members of balboa park and reverend hope is up first. >> thank you for this opportunity reverend gl

you nona melkonian and charles kremenak to my left is commissioner coppel and joined by commissioner mar and to any far left is commissioner avalos like to point out supervisor avalos and mr. clerk, any announcements? >> yes. electronic devices. completed speaker cards and documents to be included should be submitted to the clerk. items acted upon today will appear on the tuesday, january 12, 2016, board of supervisors agenda unless otherwise stated. >> all right. thank you and joined by sxhafshg to let you know we have a lot before us today but commissioner cohen's has a 1:30 land use committee trying to get through that mr. richie item one. >> 9 members for the february 2015 to the balboa advisory committee 9 seats and 10 applicants and our last rules committee on thursday we held a hearing and heard into some of the applicants and united states of america to supervisor avalos. >> thank you yes, we heard from 4 applicant on friday and 9 names to be provided to the for our approval of the members of balboa park and reverend hope is up first. >> thank you for this opportunity reverend gl

and then after the moon, then go to mars. and president kennedy kind of flipped the order of things. and so that's why we started with that sequence of vehicles. but had it not been the cold war, had we not been in this competition with the soviet union, it might have been a much different evolution. >> everyone we have talked to here at this museum talks about their job with smiles and enthusiasm and excitement. what's going on here? >> well, it's just a fantastic place to work. it really is. mainly because this museum is beloved by millions of people. and so it's a real privilege to work here at a place that people always say is their favorite museum, or they always say they envy us. but tonight especially everybody is smiling because we've reached the culmination of a two-year effort to totally renovate our central hall and a make it much more visitor-friendly, make it much more high-tech, and really put the objects on display with some new shine, some new sparkle. everybody is excited about that and that is like a debut.

the fascination that we have with mars is the archetypal fascination with the other.e surface you can see apart from the moon, which was obviously dead, so you could project your fantasies on it. which we did. all the way through to the 1960s, actually, when the first space probes went past and it was much more like the moon, as it turns out. now we believe life of some kind might be up there. yes, it is the motherlode of dreams. you talk about projecting ourfantasies. is that really what science fiction is about? well, i think you could say that science fiction is about... it's not about the future, or in other words it's about the here and now, predicting our concerns, in a way. so with wells and war of the worlds he was reflecting late victorian angst about imperialism and colonialism and the damage it can do to the colonial conscience, for one thing. now i think we could look at it as a metaphor for climate change. you know, the martians' planet has collapsed in a terrible way and migrants, heavily armed migrants, come to the earth. what is it that gives this stor

. >> thank you supervisor mar. >> i want to thank jesse fernandez i know i have a full plate with the alliances but to step up for planning with the justice in this area really commendable thank you for that i think you joined other organizers on the balance a great balance and last week if tiffany from the chinese progressive association they can how do you pronounce that. >> from the fac and walk sf and have raise your right hand glen district attorney hope with the social just to bring the base seniors and others what a green committee with our expertise i want to thank you for doing that. >> thank you very much. >> thank you supervisor cowen. >> thank you. good morning question have you ever think attend any balboa park cac meetings. >> in particular but attend other cac for the battalion reservoir and also engaged the bart commissioners that are a stakeholder in the project area. >> so how do you know you having want to be part of cac if you haven't attend meeting. >> this severs as a hub for the surrounding be neighborhoods next to persian ocean a heart of the the not kind of on

commissioner mar. and let me just say as to mr. lebrons, admonition which i certainly am cognizant of in so far as if the ffga, the full funding grant agreement doesn't happen, i don't think we are in any jeopardy of committing $50 million that we would only need to commit if there were cost over runs far and above the $316 million of contingency that is currently in the almost $2 billion budget. but as a former and once again member of this body painfully remember how much transbay phase one has been over budget. so having those kind of protocols which i think we have taken very seriously is remarkably important to me and i know remarkably important to you. so with that, be on the amendment, colleagues, can we take that without objection? >> the change, the house has changed. that is true. we have been joined by commissioners kim and farrell. on the amendment, a roll call please. >> on the amendment, commissioner avalos, aye, commissioner breed, aye, commissioner campos, aye, commissioner cohen, aye,

stams, commissioner mar? >> commissioner mar to restate the action. >> i know that we have this in front of us, but it was basically to maintain the local stop in colin and geary especially in response to seniors and others that urged to keeping that colin street local stop. >> motion made and seconded, colleagues, can we take that without objection, same house, same call, that amendment is adopted. commissioner mar has moved the item now as twice amended. mr. stams, if you could have a roll call on that vote, please. >>clerk: all right. on the amended item 4. commissioner avalos. >> one second. counsel is waving. >> i'm sorry, commissioner mar's motion, mr. mar, if you would remotion to move item 4 for the certification and findings and adoption of the monitoring and mitigation and the selection of the hybrid alternative as locally preferred alternative and stated in the agenda item no. 4 as guys amended, if you would move that. >>supervisor eric mar: so moved. >> seconded by commissioner breed. on that item

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president-elect stepping out before party at mar-a-lago. claiming he knows things other people don't know about the hacking. cnn's ryan nobles has the latest from mar-a-lago. >> reporter: john and christine, this week will be filled with meetings at trump tower and an intelligence briefing to learn more about the russian hacking. donald trump continues to downplay the intelligence community conclusion that the russian government is behind the hack. this is by both democrats and republicans who have been briefed and describe the evidence as overwhelming. during the holiday at mar-a-lago, he remains skeptical of the overall assessment. >> i want them to be sure. it is a serious charge. i want them to be sure. if you look at the weapons of mass destruction, they were wrong. it is unfair if they don't know. i know a lot about hacking. hacking is a very hard thing to prove. it could be somebody else. i also know things that other people don't know. they cannot be sure of the situation. >> what do you know that other people don't know? >> you wil

supervisor campos supervisor cowen supervisor farrell supervisor kim supervisor mar not present supervisor peskin supervisor tang supervisor yee supervisor campos pardon me supervisor avalos present madam president we have quorum thank you, ladies and gentlemen, please join us in the pledge of allegiance and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> all right. colleagues, any changes to the november 1st, 2016, board of supervisors meeting minutes seeing none, moved if i supervisor yee and seconded by supervisor cowen colleagues without objection without objection those meeting minutes pass after public comment. >> all right. now let's go to our next item madam clerk any communications. >> two to report on december 8th in receipt of a letter from mayor ed lee of his vote the short-term rental limit of 60 days and the private right of action the board any choose to override in less than two-thirds votes in favor and the thirty day falls on saturday regarding items 48 and 49 in receipt of a letter from mr. jason chang resignin

mar? >> present. peskin? >> present. tang >> absent. commissioner yee. >> present. >> we have quorum. >> item two, chair report, as our director will be recounting the accomplishments of the year and we will hold our chair elections in a moment, i am going to make my remarks extremely brief. with the adoption of plan bay area preferred scenario by the mtc and abag we are well posed to advocate for the priority projects in the bridge toll talks, which commence this week at the mtc. that is the met political transportation commission. thank you, so much, commissioner david campos for representing us in those discussions tomorrow and we look forward to see the culmination through 2017, 18, when the voters will have the opportunity to approve much needed funds for transportation, i am hopeful that our local communities will also come together next year to develop a companion local transportation funding measure that can integrate closely with the regional measure in 2018. to fund our local contributions to bart caltrain and high speed rail,

also has accommodation. >> thank you if - >> yes. >> are you ready supervisor mar. >> yes.s today, we're honoring shape up sf for over 10 years advancing public health department and can mary ann and christine and robert 0 please come forward. >> these incredible leaders from shape up sf have's collectively steadier our city towards the most progressive and public health department policies in the country found temple years ago over 10 years ago in 2006 shape sfta sf has respond to confront disease from the low income community and people of color shape sf has quoted to shack that up i call it disruptive of the - they call it shaking it up to support people in the communities that ethnic healthy early they've had a huge impact on me personally i used to drink sodas writing like crazy but knowing them and how they live and their advocacy has changing me and my family as well i want to also say when i first met them i knew little and learned so many but is to have to learn and thank you to them changing my family's eating and knowledge i know we'll live horizon because of sha

the soonest we would go to mars would be the mid 20s and 3.t think that that's going to be the way we get there. elon musk announced he's going to mars in 2018. not with people. but should he do that near the range with the heavy-lift vehicle. it will be obvious we don't need to spend taxpayer money on this. john: you have been there nine years. it's not just congress' fault. nasa want to protect every job. >> it's a bureaucracy. people at nasa are wonderful. but the leadership, they are all in tight with the industry. everybody likes to manage a contract. and so it's pretty nice system. at this point you have got $18 billion of the public's money that i think the space program could do better with. john: it could be so much better used, and so many americans say privatization. on msnbc they do get excited about space travel. but then the host has to say this. >> i also worry a great deal this is going to private industry. i keep thinking the competition of private companies in this on the planet has not necessarily led to equitable outcomes.