to mars on earth. given the landscape, given the isolation. given the sporadic communications. - [narrator] at the mdrs, every effort is made to simulate the challenges conducting research in a hostile alien environment. - [marc] any outside activity, such as exploring the area or conducting projects out there. we have to be in space suits and we have to go through a depressurization for five minutes in the airlock. - science time. - [crew member] okay. we're gonna take two rovers with us. and these two guys are gonna go in the second rover. - roger that. - [crew member] hello hab, this is aries 1, that's us entering the airlock now, over. leaving the airlock. hab, airlock is secure. - [narrator] a primary scientific objective of the first research mission on mars, will be searching for signs of life, past or present. (low toned boom) - [narrator] people have been preoccupied with finding life on mars for centuries. in the 19th century, while mapping the red planet with a telescope. italian astronomer

before the first crew can be sent to mars for the long haul. space agencies need to figure out how to overcome the tedium, personality conflicts and emotional toll of extended separation from loved ones. - [marc] crews going to mars will be training together for at least a couple of years. so they're gonna work out the kinks. they're gonna find out how to work together, because that's the real key in any kind of situation like this. - [narrator] with mars simulations like this, we'll definitely be able to solve the technical and psychological challenges of establishing the base on mars and forge a path to the future of life in space. (upbeat synths begin playing) in the future,esearchers a the international marsase make a remarkable discovy. a particular rock specimen complete changes the way humanity thinks of its place in the universe. the sample confirms that ancient fossils, similar to those found on earth, also exists on mars. this rock reveals that the complex forc that cause life to evolve are not uncommon. in principle, life, possibly e

it is very early morning on mars now. sol 559, the 559th day of mars. perseverance is probably still fast asleep awaiting her next command mode of things she will do in the day. a very productive mission so far. we have driven over 13 kilometers, over eight miles. as mentioned before, we have 15 sealed tubes on the rover. let me remind folks what a tube looks like. in these titanium tubes, we can store about a pinky-sized rock right inside there. we have 15 sealed tubes on board the rover and we brought 43 tubes total. we also have a sealed tube that is just an atmosphere example and it witness tubes that are a measure of contamination we can do along the mission as well. let me mention that ingenuity is also doing very well. that technology demonstration for a helicopter on mars only designed for one month survived 18 months into the mission. that is very exciting for us. it's winter, though. ingenuity was never designed to live through winter. it has been an energy challenge and we are carefully monitoring data. it looks like energy is going up for in

all mars material is consent on —- contained inside the system. designed the system so it doesn't even need to rely on a parachute one of the biggest risks we have is that the parachute does not deploy properly so we will do bypass that altogether and plan on a hard landing and the heat shield on the hard desert floorrt which they will experience on the utah desert when they come back and then maintain the integrity of the structure of the sampling container that holds the samples. then make sure we have all proper precautions in place as he open and disassemble the make sureem and that we are keeping the sample contained until we are confident it is safe to be handled and distributed for the scientific analysis. we don't expect that to take terribly long we want to get it as quickly as possible if there is wee will now. >> is it safe to assume there will be a program similar to the apollo moon samplesmp were a portion will be archived for decades to take advantage of evolving analysisvi capabilities? >> i am happy to have this question because i

and mar-a-lago was not a skiff, is not a skiff. and the ability of people to get in there and possibly access these documents, again, it just makes me shutter at the thought of what the implications, the consequences of his reckless irresponsibility could be. >> statement of the year, mar-a-lago was not a skiff. former cia director, john brennan, thanks so much for making time this evening. really appreciate it. >> thanks, alex. >>> we will have more on this breaking news next. co-editor and chief of just security ryan goodman joins me here to react to this latest reporting and also go over the nuts and bolts of the special master process and what we can expect next from the doj. >>> and congresswoman pra my pramila jayapal will join me why she thinks democrats will keep the house, yes, i said the house. stay with us. he house. stay with us sleep from sleep number? because proven quality sleep is vital to our health and wellness, only the sleep number 360 smart bed keeps you cool, then senses and effortlessly adjusts for your best

mar-a-lago was not a skiff! former cia director john brennan, thank you so much for making time this evening. really appreciate it. >> thanks. >> we will have more on this breaking news next, co-editor and chief in just a clarity, ryan goodman, joins me here to rex's latest reporting and also to go over the net symbols of the special master process and what we can expect next from the doj. and congresswoman -- will join us live for why she thinks democrats may keep the house. yes i said the house! in november's midterm elections. stay with us. stay with us pool floaties are like whooping cough. amusement parks are like whooping cough. even ice cream is like whooping cough, it's not just for kids. whooping cough is highly contagious for people of any age. and it can cause violent uncontrollable coughing fits. sometimes followed by vomiting and exhaustion. ask your doctor or pharmacist about whooping cough vaccination because whooping cough isn't just for kids. super emma just about sleeps in her cape. but when we

mar-a-lago was not a skiff! former cia director john brennan, thank you so much for making time this evening. really appreciate it. >> thanks. >> we will have more on this breaking news next, co-editor and chief in just a clarity, ryan goodman, joins me here to rex's latest reporting and also to go over the net symbols of the special master process and what we can expect next from the doj. and congresswoman -- will join us live for why she thinks democrats may keep the house. yes i said the house! in november's midterm elections. stay with us. did you know if you turn to cold with tide you can save up to $150 a year on your energy bill? how? the lower the temp, the lower your bill. tide cleans great in cold and saves money? i am so in. save $150 when you turn to cold with tide. it's time for the biggest sale of the year, on the sleep number 360 smart bed. it's temperature balancing, so you both say cool. i am so in. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. all smart beds are on sale. save

people who wanted to get married at mar-a-lago could for the correct price, get married at mar-a-lago. >> exactly you have a wedding on going on outside while you have the storage room with all these documents marked classified, all the sensitive stuff inside mar-a-lago. this is what raises concerns, both at nara and at doj. if -- you have all these people going around all these potentially sensitive documents. >> we're talking about a place that employed a large proportion of foreign nationals as staff which -- it is not necessarily bad to have someone from another country working for you. but in terms of security purposes, people who could be agents for other foreign governments, it sounds like it would be relatively easy to plant someone inside mar-a-lago, if they we're of a nation that is not our own. >> that's certainly a concern. especially seeing the number of incidents that have happened at mar-a-lago over the last couple of years where former nationals were able to go through security or even just americans as well. this is very much a concern here. >> i wonder, nicholas wu,

given what happened in mar-a-lago.anything in this kind of weather scheduled events, but certainly many people will be watching what he does. next alex. >> what? you mean donald trump focus most of his meandering to our speech on himself? shocking. i hope you can tell ali, you know, sarcasm with it which i am delivering that. one thank you so much, george. joining me now is mark polymeropoulos -- former officer at the cia. currently a nonresident senior fellow at the atlantic council. also the author of clarity in crisis, leadership lessons from the cia. mark, welcome. how concerned are you having donald trump just ramping up his rhetoric against the law enforcement agencies that are investigating him? what kind of dangerous do you feel his words could pose? >> alex, i think this is incredibly dangerous and irresponsible. they call the fbi vicious monsters. this is certainly not back in the blue. which is been the rallying cry for a lot of people on the right. let's just go over where we are in 2022, right now. of cour

, what was kept at mar-a-lago, despite these efforts to get it back. the photos say the word declassified on the front of them. the word declassified is not appearing in this filing we're getting from trump's team tonight. maybe they'll use it in court when they're talking about trying to get the special master. we don't see it so far. going back to the efforts that they're describing here, in one part of this, they're describing the enforcement of the grand jury subpoena by the justice department as trump allowing investigators to come to his home and provide security advice. that was after that june 3rd meeting, where jay brad, who is the top justice department official, went to mar-a-lago, met with attorneys, went to the storage room where boxes of documents were being held. they, according to the justice department, were not allowed to look inside these boxes. they said they were explicitly prohibited from doing so. but they also followed up, asking trump's attorneys in a letter to further secure the room. they did not explicitly say, put a padlock

. >>> first we begin our coverage this hour with new developments in the mar-a-lago probe. a federal judge hearing from both sides in court today but declining to introduce a ruling on donald trump's request for a special master, at least for now. sara murray has our report. >> reporter: no ruling yet, as lawyers for donald trump and the justice department went head to head in court today over whether a special master should review documents seized at mar-a-lago. >> if the government's case is as they think it is, let's just play it straight. let a special master come in. >> reporter: trump's team saying the mar-a-lago was suspect, according to reports from the courtroom, and argued a special master should pore over materials marked classified. trump lawyer jim trusty described the battle over whether the documents were kept as comparable to a dispute over to an overdue lie b. the judge indicating if she appoints a special master, she may still allow the intelligence community to review the seized documents as part of a damage assessment. prosecutors, meantime, arguing the

judge unsealed the full mar-a-lago search inventory. why were dozens of empty folders marked classified in donald trump's home? i'll get reaction from a key member of the january 6 committee, congressman jamie raskin. >>> plus president biden honing his midterm message. he's defending his fiery speech on democracy against criticism it was too political and trumpeting another round of economic numbers showing a strong jobs market. >>> and serena williams set to make another run at history after defying expectations all week. the tennis legend will take the court in a third round u.s. open tonight. >>> welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off today. i'm brianna keilar, and you are in the si"the situation room." >>> we begin our coverage this hour with a detailed new look at materials seized from mar-a-lago. the unsealed inventory reveals more than 48 empty folders with classification banners. it also finds personal items like clippings and clothing mixed in with sensitive documents. sara murray

mar-a-lago, top secret classification. does that mean nothing was in them to begin with, they're being recycled? or does it mean maybe information of a top secret nature could actually be missing now and unaccounted for? >> yes, so that's certainly one of the unresolved questions here. and obviously i believe that's something the fbi would like to know is what was originally in there and when. it certainly could be the case that when they were packing up the white house to move everything to mar-a-lago, they just stuffed things into these folders that had nothing to do with classified information that they have previously been used in that manner, but weren't currently being done. but that's an unresolved issue that has to be clarified. the reason -- everybody is trying to figure out why donald trump would do this. donald trump is a notorious pack rack. he likes souvenirs. he thinks it's cool. he thinks this is stuff he can have and show off to friends at mar-a-lago. he has no understanding of what the security rules are o

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an independent third party to revut documents found at mar-a-lago. never mind that they shouldn't have been there to begin. with by way of example, trump's team argues, the government now hasue the temerity to argue tha any involvement with by a special master will interfere with an ongoing intelligence community review of the materials. left unchecked, the d.o.j. will impugn, illeak, and publicize selected aspects of their investigation with no recourse for donald trump but to somehow trust the currently unchecked quote-unquote investigators. it is worth noting that the reason the department of justice has made any aspects of this investigation public is because donald trump urged the d.o.j. to make said aspects public. tomorrow, the judge will consider both side's arguments to determine whether to appoint that the special master. joining us now is barbara mcquade former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. thanks for joining us. i have many questions about this latest filing. and the need for a special master. trump's team is unsurpr

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we know mar-a-lago is his primary residence, and that is where he went, directly went, to mar-a-lagocourse, makes sense. most of the documents that would have went with him would have gone there. but do we think at this point that doj would have reason to search some of the other trump properties? and what do you think their hesitation would be? coming up on an election, it could be perceived as political? >> if i were an investigator, i'd be concerned these documents are at some of his other properties. you have to have probable cause that they are there before you can search. you can't engage in a fishing expedition. we don't know the reasons because of the redactions, but a judge found probable cause to believe documents would be at mar-a-lago. it wasn't just a hunch. it has to be facts. things like multiple people told us. it does say they needed to redact to protect the identities of a significant number of civilian witnesses. or they saw thing on surveillance video or other kinds of things that caused them to believe they were at mar-a-lago. they would need to develop similar e

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mar-a-lago claiming it the nature. does that argument hold water given the top secret documents at issue? >> of course not. this is stuff that is national security secrets. and i think what really caused the archives to send this over to doj for an investigation wasn't just the fact that they were classified documents. but that they were mixed in with a lot of other irrelevant documents that just showed that the whole thing was one big mess. and so they were concerned as to what was happening with these documents, who was looking at them, and who had access to them. it much more beyond and by the way, the papers that the trump people put in just refer to them as sensitive documents. they try to down play everything in this brief and don't even acknowledge that there are highly classified documents that are at issue with this search warrant. >> everything except they were hyperventilating near the vapors about expired passports and time magazine. you're quite right with that, nick. brandon, good to have you back because

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what do you make of these empty folders found at mar-a-lago? any sense of whether trump is still hoarding documents, even now? >> that's, of course, i have no sense -- i wonder if even president trump and his aide know where these documents are, our noses documents are missing. that is the whole point of it, right? there are empty folders that once contained, at least somewhat sensitive information that was supposed to be returned, or it was classified. those folders are empty. it's almost impossible to know, number one, what was in the folders and, number two, where that information is now. it could be that the information was either returned beforehand, just not in the right folder. it could be part of the documents that were seized by the fbi during the search last month, or they could be documents still floating around anywhere. that is the concern. that is the question. that is why there is so -- there are people saying what we are hearing out of mar-a-lago, what the fbi search found is troubling. >> indeed,, that is a big question mark. j

and of course, his raid at mar-a-lago. alayna treene, thank you as always. we'll talk to you again soon. i want to thank all of you for getting up "way too early" on this wednesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. >>> this was not just extreme carelessness with classified material. which is still totally disqualifying. this is calculated, deliberate, premeditated misconduct, followed by a cover-up. >> what he did is illegal. it's classified information. >> he broke the law, it's very simple. i mean, as much as it's going to be broken, this is highly classified. that's the highest stage. it's highly classified information. many of them were classified. highly classified, you go to jail for that. and you go to jail for that. you should know that. classified information. you should go to jail for that for many, many years. >> lock him up, lock him up. >> jimmy kimmel with a mashup of donald trump's words concerning other people's mishandling of classified documents. but, wow, meanwhile, stunning new reporting this morning that the nuclear secrets of a f

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we know more about what the fbi found at mar-a-lago. the inventory list going public today.nt's handling of the whole thing. it may surprise you. >>> two former white house lawyers appearing before the january 6 grand jury here in d.c. e

then, a pixel by pixel this section of that incredible photo and trove of evidence spread out on the mar-a-lago locked. plus, what we know from the doj filing about who else may have legal exposure. >> they don't have anything. there is just nothing there. >> and the legal political and moral implications about the potential decision to indict the 45th president. when all in starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. it's 8 pm eastern, and we just hit the deadline for don trump 's legal team to respond to the department of justice filing and we are letting you know what it is and what it says. and -- what it says is a little bit of a sideshow at this point. the one thing we know for sure is that the department of justice is not messing around. they are not messing around with their investigation into the classified documents that phone trump kept at his florida home. last night, they dropped the equivalent of illegal nuclear bomb on the ex president, and it came in the form of this 36 page court filing. now that court filing is a response to trump's request for an

but again, mar-a-lago is a sieve.could easily get people into mar-a-lago, hey, there's to buy a membership or have somebody in a cleaning crew or something else. if those documents were left unsecured for that length of time, i am sure my national security colleagues and intelligence professionals who are trying to do this risk assessment right now are just in absolute shock in terms of the type of things that may have been exposed including the nuclear capabilities of foreign countries, whether it be adversaries or allies, this is among the most sensitive, the most highly restricted documents in the u.s. government, and the fact that donald trump cared not a whit about it, just underscores how irresponsible he has been as a president and afterward in these last 19 months or so. >> i wonder if you can explain why, there are nine, china, france, israel, north korea, there are more nuclear powers. can you explain why a country's nuclear capabilities or ambitions are among the best protected secrets? >> we need to unders

the former president is insisting he had the power to be the classified documents seized from his mar-a-lago home just by thinking about it. but did he? >>> plus, a revolt in russia, long lines to leave, as putin tries to ramp up his war in ukraine. the kremlin pin initialling pro punishing protesters forcing some to fight in the very war they want to stop. >>> and crisis of democracies, a warning to the world from french president macron, and his message to donald trump after being wrapped up in the mar-a-lago case. welcome to the lead. i'm pamela brown in for jake tapper. and we begin with our politics lead. and just in, special master of the trump mar-a-lago documents case opens the door to hearing witness testimony. this, coming after yet another legal defeat for former president donald trump. three judges from the 11th circuit court of appeals unanimously reversed district judge aleene cannon's decision. three-judge panel, one obama and three trump appointees. a special master's review of that subset, about 100 records is now partially stopped after judge cannon amended her ruling today

first, the latest filing in the mar-a-lago search. the d.o.j. is warning that any delay in its ability to look at documents seized there could be expected to result in damage to the national security, including exceptionally grave degenerative, any delay could cause irreparable harm to the government and the public, and the most recent unredacted section of the affidavit used to secure the mar-a-lago search warrant, it appears to shed more light on where trump was keeping classified documents on his resort property and all happening while d.o.j. is raising questions about whether it indeed has recovered all government documents from trump's property. >> i think there is a legitimate question about whether or not the fbi finally now has it all. who's to say that president trump didn't give some of it away, in the course of holding on to it at mar-a-lago, for the last year and a half. suppose he gave it to some, suppose he gave some of it to some author who is writing a book for example. >> meanwhile the fbi confirms it executed a search warrant a

artemis rocket into space and get human kind one giant leap closer to returning to the moon and one day mars. ♪♪ >>> we begin with president biden's message to the american people. next hour he's expected to talk about the american rescue plan and what it means for local economies. msnbc will bring that to you live as reactions pour in after president biden delivered a blistering speech last night about what he calls maga republicans and called out former president trump by name. the president accused trump and his closest supporters of peddling lies about the 2020 election, an ideology he says that poses a threat to the foundations of our republic. >> democracy cannot survive when one side believes there are only two outcomes to an election, either they win or they were cheated. you can't love your country only when you win. >> joining us now with more on this is nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. yamiche alcindor, an nbc news washington correspondent and eddie glaude is the chair of the department of african american studies at princeton university, he is also an nb

that's why the mars rover is now collecting samples from the place known and zero crater.is 28 miles wide. now scientists said it was the prime target for uncovering evidence of life on mars >> allows us to explore the environment and allows us to seek evidence of possible martian life >> it is the site where an i ancient river met. the fellow who works on the mars program. >> we think we found a potential signature intended to find the beginning of the presentation who says the signatures are things that are basically interesting and could be potential signs of life. all of the things we were hoping to see if i had to say this scan looks exciting, this would look like the scan we saw. >> nasa is hoping to bring the samples back to earth by 2030. >>> kanye west is breaking up with the gap he stopped by cnbc earlier to tell us why. his explanation and his thoughts on almost everything. >>> and putin and chinese president xi jinping sat down today and they said the friendship with their countries had no limits. now the war in ukraine could spoil that when we started selling

i'm not sitting around mar-a-lago with people walking in. trump can sell to a hostile government or terrorists, or show to visitors to mar-a-lago. those whose secrets that can be used by people who hate america to kill our children. under the law, they're supposed to be in a national archives fault under heavy guard. i'm not sitting around mar-a-lago with people walking in. >> it really feels like the parallels between what happened with nixon, our president intent on destroying records, keeping things involved with only a single or two keys, the parallels between that mar-a-lago are stunning and airy. michael beschloss, nbc news, presidential historian, thank you so much for your time and wisdom, michael. >> pleasure. love it. thank, you alex. >> still ahead on this, our soldiers in ukraine continue the fight to take back that country, i will talk to one of their own, a ukrainian combat medic who's live onset. first, i'll be joined by karine jean-pierre as president biden prepares to address the first in-person un general ass

these were in mar-a-lago for more than 18 months. what could happen if this kind of information fell into the wrong hands? >> well, first of all, it's the duplication that has always made me worried. one of the reasons why you view it in a scif or make it inaccessible to say cameras on iphones is you really do not want people emailing, it xeroxing it, circulating it. so, just the fact that it was sitting around means anyone, including trump, could come along and copy it and then share it with someone else. so, is the copying and duplication that is worrisome. and then of course it's the foreign spiraling and espionage to get their hands on it and now they know something about say another countries nuclear capabilities or limitations. and then the third is, you know, are there exchanges being made for this information? this is what we do not know. this is why. so i think it is. but i want to just really sort of second your point. we're so focused on the picture -- >> right, exactly. >> all this classified information. it's the obstruc

it's just really about their presence at mar-a-lago. >> simplest terms, there's only one president at a time who can claim that privilege. final question, if i can. in the pantheon of trump public statements, this one stood out yesterday, him openly offering or saying that he would look very, very seriously at full pardons -- his words there -- for those involved in the violent attack on the capitol, violent attack on law enforcement on january 6th. i asked jennifer rogers this question last hour. in her view, she said, it's hard to look at it as anything other than witness tampering. how do you view those comments? >> yes. i think it definitely invokes the spirit of prohibitions against witness tampering and obstruction. you know, i'm not sure if that could actually be investigated or charged in that way. that's what he's doing. we've seen this movie before. we saw this in the mueller probe, the dangling of the pardons. and that's when he was a sitting president. i call this the pre-presidential pardon dangling, which is both to give him political benefit. but i think we should also

his first speech since the mar-a-lago search. as he continues to have a 2024 run, and possible pardons for those convicted in connection with the capitol riot. meanwhile president biden's defended his fiery thursday night primetime address telling reporters he wanted to be clear that he doesn't consider any supporter of the former president a, quote, threat to the country, we'll still defending the overall message. as the white house argues, standing up for democracy is not political. back to. you >> are right, monica, thank you for that. joining me now, luke broadwater congressional reporters for the new york times. and the former deputy assistant of the eternal general and host of the talking feds podcast. looking guys. luke, you first. more than 40 empty folders marked with classified batters. nearly four dozen more empty folders marked return to staff, military aid. what questions does all of this raise for you? what did you learn from this inventory list? >> right, the gang of eight on the hill, the congressional leaders and

so, if this is just sitting on a carpet in mar-a-lago -- >> in a carton.ormer president seems very -- on the carpet, he had them in the carton, never mind that that carton was in his shoe closet. whatever. >> whatever. >> nonetheless -- >> but in the white house, there is a security official, who, when they take these records and show them to the sitting president, not the former president in his club, they have a document that they keep that says, this is the purpose for which i withdrew this record. and now there is a record to make sure i returned it to the secure lock box. but you are the question, i don't want to get away from it, which is, things are getting worse. the shifting sands of the arguments that trump and his team have made have now put two people who said they were lawyers for donald trump in serious jeopardy. i am told by sources that christina bobb will automatically be a witness, she will be asked for testimony. we will see about evan corcoran. he is still a lawyer. but we now know that team trump recognizes christina bobb is in trouble

the department of justice did not put out a press release saying, we are at mar-a-lago today, we areng at the president stuff. no, donald trump did not, right? maga world has tried from the first moment, right, when trump announced to the world that they are searching mar-a-lago to take advantage of the doj correct policy of silence, filling the vacuum with 1 million ridiculous, contradictory excuses that we now know to be all lies. >> this sounds more like a bookkeeping issue then it is a national security threat, which means it does not rise to the level of justifying rating the former president's home. >> they just don't give a flying flip about how politicized they look, which is terrifying. >> the rule of law, like the gestapo. >> yeah, it feels that way. >> trump's a moment no guy. you have seen is that's office, there is a lot of clutter and memorabilia. >> do i know that the boxes of material that took from mar-a-lago that they won't put sending boxes to entrap him? how do we know they will be honest with us about what is actually in the boxes? how do you know that was in the

will they fight the ruling in favor of a special master in the trump mar-a-lago case?head was urgent, but there's still silence. ty cobb is "outfront." and poll workers urged to break the rules by republican leader in michigan. that official going so far as to compare those poll workers to undercover agents. and new details in the murder of a las vegas newspaper reporter. police searching the home of an elected official. let'

either things mar-a-lago didn't turn up in the search. these have become questions that the archives to be asking. it is possible that some documents, they may not know were created, and were also destroyed. so the archives only knows what they know but donald trump created something with no record of it, and destroyed it and that should be an archives. they may never give that talk me back even though belongs to the people and not him. >> the national archives folks aren't sure who would be sure? >> -- let's remind our audience, we asked donald trump to return everything, he didn't. we asked for subpoenas, he didn't. and they said give you everything, back and they didn't, as we learn from the fbi search from mar-a-lago, turned up 100 classified documents. so who is it that can assure us that all the records have been returned? >> right, it's a troubling question. whether donald trump's lawyer we've negotiated perhaps in a good state at some point. top 20 months to get it back. obviously, when the fbi search mar-a-lago, they've found man

supervisor mar?ic mar: i wanted to say i really appreciate the vision and mission of this very unique and complex project. and it really does serve a really important public benefit in our city. even during the pandemic, the rankin building was used as a covid vaccination site. that's where i got my first vaccine and first time i visited. i appreciate all the work and this update and this agreement because it's so complicated. the main concern i have is around the significant cost escalation for the development project going from $100 million to $400 million, four times and from the bla analysis there is not really a plan right now on how that additional $300 million in financing is going to be realized. so, i guess that's my question. maybe to mr. lau or director panik, do you feel confident that the development of this project is still viable even though the cost increased three times and the funding needing to be identified? >> yes, i will be happy to discuss this. fortunately the comparison of th

i want to ask you about the mar-a-lago case. this kind of case. would you charge donald trump based on the evidence that is public facing. >> it is always frustrating me when i was u.s. attorney for southern district when outsiders would opine on something or add comments when they didn't have any evidence or a sliver of evidence so i'm not going to speculate about that. but what i will say is, what strikes me is the most significant revelation is that the department of justice is investigating donald trump and those around donald trump not just for the mishandling of classified information, but for obstruction of a subpoena requiring the production of that classified information. that is a very, very serious charge and if that were in the southern district of new york, that would have a highest priority and we would be moving on it very, very quickly. and you see that kind of urgency in the filings of merrick garland in this case. the department of justice wants to move forward very quickly. >> we should tell our viers this is