i share in your frustration, supervisor mar ander and anywhere else in the city, but i agree we can't wait until september because this is happening now. >> chairman: director chang, do you want to speak? >> sure. i would just say we certainly heard the board's direction last time. if you want to say a few words now before inviting them back at the july 23rd meeting. >> thank you chair mandelman and commissioners. yes, we got the direction last time, and we are certainly doing our best to work with o.e.w.d., mostly because we wanted to make sure that the funds for those programs were working very closely and in conjunction with some of the services that o.e.w.d. already had in place. so the hope was, i think, to augment the programs that they had they were we were already doing around places like central subway and other places. when i let the staff know that this body was thinking about making this request, they would hoping we could push back because we do want to put it in front of our board before we actually make any final direction. but if we just want to get an update, we can d

if you think about mars, which bill anders told me who took the famous earth rise photo which reallyr and he said look, what we have not solved yet is the problem of radiation, deep space radiation. so on a nine month trip to mars you have to solve that problem and then you only have a two year window to get there. so it's not as simple as everybody thinks. the moon allows us to take that initial transitional step. neil: one of the things you wrote in your book and you recount going in and out of stories of astronauts, they were pretty much a unique bunch to a man. i'm thinking they had no problem, they being theirselves, to challenge the leaders, richard nixon and others. borman was saying this was something under a democratic administration kennedy and all that. how did they get away with that? >> they had moral courage, they really did. they believed in the common good, in something greater than onesself and psychological pre-files and tests and i managed to get access to them. neil: i wonder how you did that? >> well, i tracked down the nasa psychiatrist who was hoping to do upda