you can walk around -- you can walk around -- you can walk around north korea as well, professor marandi. >> i think you also have to keep in mind the fact that some of the measures taken by the security forces have to do with the fact that there has been a lot of interference from outside the country. right now, you have almost 40 television channels in persian being broadcast from the united states and europe, funded by the american government and european governments or in some cases owned, which have played a very negative role over the past few weeks, turning people against one another. this sort of behavior and this sort of funding coming from the united states and its european allies really does not serve their interests. >> professor marandi, you can't possibly expect us to believe that here you have a two-term president of iran, rafsanjani, calling for opposition to the regime. two-term prime minister of iran, mr. mousavi, calling for the creation of an opposition movement. a two-term president, khatami, calling for a referendum. you have people under house arrest. you have majo