his latest is barack obama thhe's david maraniss. this is overheard. ♪ >> david maraniss, welcome. >> thank you, evan. >> great to see you. >> terrific o be here. >> this is a great book and the subject is so big, but i want to go kind of away from the book and ask generally about this president and why after all these years we still don't know where he's from, who he is, donald trump is asking for his college transcripts. i mean, there's not been a person in public life i would submit to you, about whom so much has been written, although out in the world so much apparently is still unknown. >> well, it's not unknown. >> of course i'm being facetious. >> he's the first african-american president. that's the first and only reason for all of this. >> this is all about race. >> it's all about race. >> at the end of the day you never asked for a birth certificate from a white guy. animosity and hatred that i saw directed towards bill clinton too so i can't say that all of that is about race, but the reason that these -- the conspiratorri

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he'll never be bill clinton, as bill maraniss said, but he's grown politically and learned that whener feel special. >> and i think he's learned from stumbling in that regard as well. i did see him cry one time on the campaign trail in 2008, and that was right after his grandmother died, the day before the election of 2008, that was the first time i saw him cry. and then we never saw him cry again until the day before election 2012, when he was in iowa. >> and with his re-election, i think there's no doubt he's much more self-confident right now about where he stands and where he's going. >> and just more comfortable being who he is behind the stage, behind the scenes, in front of the cameras and having those stories. and i think jessica's exactly right. i think out of caution, he didn't talk a lot about not having a father, for example, although he did talk about it occasionally on father's day. he would allude to it, but now he's much more open, because he doesn't have anything to lose because of his own future political prospects. >> it's nice to see that. >> and it works. >> jake