voting rights attorney marc elias is standing by, he joins me after a short break. break. hi, i'm kim, and i lost 67 pounds on golo. when i was diagnosed with breast cancer, food became my comfort. i didn't think i looked pretty anymore, so i let myself go. i've seen the golo commercials for a while. what stuck out to me most was there was no celebrity endorser. the testimonials were from real people. what cancer took from me, golo gave back. (uplifting music) >>> in 2020, donald trump tried and failed to overturn the election through conspiracy and intimidation, but those lies haven't disappeared, as we've been talking about on the show. instead, they continue to fester and inspire violence and intimidation against public officials and election workers. including, as we mentioned earlier, in maricopa county, arizona. last month a board of supervisors, a majority of them are republicans, were forced to abruptly end a public meeting and be escorted out by police after members of a pro-trump conspiracy group rushed the dais, shouting that the board was illegitimate. a top co

back with us election lawyer marc elias. >> first of all, marc, you were the lawyer for the dnc frome 2009 until 2023. so if -- this would never happen, but you know, it's happening for the republicans. so you know, maybe there's -- i don't know if there's an authoritarian feature in the democratic party but who knows, if folks came to you and said look the democratic nominee has some legal issues. you know, maybe they're parking tickets and not necessarily classified documents or you know, an insurrection. we have to pay some of the legal bills. what would you have said in that meeting. >> you know what i would have said but think about how far this has traveled you know. when -- when john mccain was the nominee, there was a genuine scandal over the fact that the rnc was paying for clothing for -- for sarah palin. okay? and we were talking about like -- tens of thousands of dollars. okay. that was like a bona fide like -- oh my god, can you believe the rnc is doing this? now we fast forward and people are like oh, dues, a couple hundred million dollars you know, can the rnc kick in

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[laughter] >> they hire mark marc elias to look at the ways to look at the election rules and laws toee if they can keep him off the ballot that way. of last time michigan and georgia were decided by about a point for either a candidate, and that could make a big difference if a third party candidate or some of these others pulled, say, from joe biden. that could be the election. so their concerns are not without with reason. paul: but, kim, is there any way that he is anything other than a spoiler in the sense that he can't win enough electoral votes to become president? the most he could probably do would be to take more votes from one or the other. i suppose, or you know, if things went really strangely, he might be able to win a state although even that's unlikely. >> yeah. i mean, look, i dislike the world spoiler sometimes because i think it's unfair to voters who actually sometimes want another choice, okay? the reason we're all in this situation is because no one's happy with the top two choices. paul: right. >> but you're right, he's not going to win a state. but when we have

what is marc elias saying?he's one of the democrat party's most aggressive election lawyers, and and he's connecting trump's poor showing in the d.c. g to work p primary with the jury pool for his 2020 election inter interference trial. elias post on the x platform, quote, in a city of 700,000, donald trump got 676 votes in the gop primary, a tough jury pool. finish well, conservatives immediately responding to that. columnist mosha hill wrote: democrats brag about how utterly corrupt they are while another said, quote, so in other words, no way trump could get a fair if trial there. thanks for the admission, i'm shower his attorneys will enjoy using this tweet for any future appeals. he's right. stuart: i think he's right, ashley. i can see that. tainting the jury pool. thanks, ash. >>> coming up, president biden gave a rare interview to the "new yorker" magazine. of course, it wasn't on -- camera, so it's easily controllable. media guy brent bozell takes that on. >>> skyrocketing costs pushing small businesse

voting rights attorney marc elias is familiar with republicans efforts to delegitimize elections. i want to start out of the story from arizona, last month, a meeting of the maricopa county board of supervisors erupted into total chaos. people swarmed the meeting, the cofounder of a pro trump even commandeered a podium to announce, this is an act of insurrection. one county official described the events as a coordinated attack and this stunk with me, a dress rehearsal for the election so yes when a bunch of election denies loss back in 2022, and may have felt like we were putting this all behind us. what's important to remember in this moment, that we really haven't, elections and i are kari lake is running for senate in arizona, mark finch and the goalkeepers leader who was at the capital on january 6th is trying to return to the senate and this insurgence of the big lie isn't just happening in arizona, the new trumpy rnc has been taken over by election denies, too, and they are zeroing in on what they are calling and election integrity strategy, that strategy is of course, not a

our thanks to matt dowd and marc elias who rolled with me on this breaking news. thank you to all of you. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> thank you, nicolle. appreciate you sharing that story marking that life. we are here another edition of "the beat" with ari melber, and our top story here begins with this political thunderclap out of deep red alabama where the democrat you see on your screen just trounced her republican opponent by 25 points in the special election. a name you might have just started hearing for the first time today if you follow this kind of politics and news. marilyn lands winning, flipping that statehouse seat, building on a trend of candidates running on women's rights since trump's judges got the supreme court to end roe v. wade. >> marilyn lands has just won the house district seat in alabama. >> reliably red district in north alabama turning blue in a special house election. >> she made reproductive rights a center piece of her campaign. >> it's a victory tonight for women, for families, for alabama in general. >> people

marc elias guys thanks very much for being on with his mark. you're there in the studio. i've got kristen and joe next to me, a crystalline start with you first. i mean, i was talking about this with david just a few moments ago for years. and you and i know this, we're out on the campaign trail together. trump and his aides and his allies have talked about how much money he has, how richie as it's all of a sudden now he's saying he has to sell off these assets. how does trump world make any sense of this? what do they say? >> well, one thing to note also is that it's kind of his professional brand and his political brand. yeah, he tells people, oh, look how rich i am. i could make you this rich if you like me into office and that really was a selling point for him in 2016, particularly when you talk to working class voters. now, if you, his team about what exactly they're doing or what they think of this they point to two things. they argue that there's no billionaire on this planet. who is that liquid? who could come up with this amount of money. they also blame the und

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stacking our jail, overwhelming our system, giving out benefit, paying money, all so that people like marc eliasrposeful. it is happening every second, even as we pile up debt around our ears to the tune of $34.4 trillion and cnt of interest in. more interest than our defense. this year. it's astounding. and my colleagues on this side of the aisle and that side of the aisle will hide behind either, for radical progressive democratic colleague, they'll hide behind taxes. they'll say oh, we've had too many tax cuts. even though two years ago we had more revenue at the treasury than we've ever had. my colleagues on this side of the aisle will hide behind mandatory spending. they will say, scratch their beard right, beard stroking. they look at you and they say oh, but chip, you're getting hung up on 17% of the budget. can't you math? really? like they look at you like somehow you're insane because you're focused on the discretionary budget sitting in maybe, just maybe, we should take the discretionary budget we have toe call control of every year and demonstrate an ounce, an ounce of actual respons