let's talk to ben ferguson and marc lamont hill. you guys heard the last segment.t with you. >>let get ready for some hurtful speech. going to call the police on you, don. >> so a lot of times what we say here on television is hurtful speech. people say hurtful things all the time. how does one legislate hurtful speech in there is a difference between threats and hurtful speech. >> i would be calling on marc lamont hill every time i'm on the show with him if hurtful speech is now a crime. let be honest. it's one of the top journalism schools in the country. how in the world do you even allow this idea to get out there? how in the world do you push away and tell these student journalists to go away and they don't have a right to be there? i don't know what is going on that campus but it has gone beyond the racial issues that it started out as. >> i disagree with how you characterize this. how do you legislate against hurtful speech. that is not what they were talking about on the campus. this was not a legal question but a campus climate question. illegal to say hur

ben ferguson, marc lamont hill back with me.ooking through these numbers, you note the charges from 2005 to 2008, $182,000 total charged, about $22,000 of that personal charges. the campaign goes through here, he paid them all back himself. does this matter, marc, in the big picture? >> no, it doesn't. it's funny, as outraged as people are about the ben carson, quote, unquote, witch hunt which i think is a legitimate investigation, i think some of this is overblown. i think marco rubio's financial irresponsibility is something we should raise, if you're going to be the leader of a nation, questions should be raised about your responsibility, but i don't think his credit card charges are something we should hyperanalyze. i think we know who he is, what he is, and we need to make decisions based on that, not based on credit card charges. i think in some sense we're overreaching here. not overreaching in the sense of it being unethical or wrong, but we're overanalyzing it. >> it's interesting, ben, this comes off the fact people sp

this came from our pal marc lamont hill. that's who first said it in my initial research at cnn. they getting this. >> of course it's not true. it's all over the place on social media on #it comes from this study malcolm x grass roots movement in 2013. >> they say that the police in minority communities are an occupying army and that there is a war on black people in our country. this countrym( is called operation ghetto storm. they put together 313 people that they say were killed by police, my by security guards and vigilante, divide by the number of hours, you get every 28 hours. bill, there are unarmed cases of people who are killed by police that are tragic and unjustified but they throw everybody in. robbers, armed robbers in shootouts with police are on their list. a goes into a police station and shoots three policeag$c officers. a guy puts a knife it to his girlfriend's neck. exhibit a. lawrence wallace jr. 20 years old, he is arrested, he stabs to death, stabs to death a police officer,6i steals the cruiser, gets into a shootout with another officer, wounds the other of

joining me a former police officer and author and political commentator, marc lamont-hill. marc, you said you don't think that tarantino went far enough. you said you wished he named names and he did tonight and he is standing up to critics. >> i was under the impression i was an american and had first amendment rights and there was no problem with me going to an antipolice brutality protest. and speaking my mind. and just because i was at an antipolice brutality protest doesn't mean i'm anti-police. and basically, there was a lot of people at that rally and we were all crying for a lot of things but there was one thing in particular which was stop shooting unarmed people. we want justice but stop shooting unarmed people. but they don't want to deal with that. they would rather start arguments with celebrities than examine the situation put before them. >> is that what you wanted to hear? >> that's exactly what i wanted to hear. people who shoot unarmed people should be named and it allows us to target the population who are the problem. you don't want to blanket, you name n

. >>> joining me now marc lamont hill.e have that beautiful lady in the harbor given to us by our oldest ally which is france. is history repeating itself? >> absolutely. at every historical junction, americans have said we don't want those people in. and we forget that most of us have been those people at one point or another. we have to be open to this. it is the right thing to do and honors the spirit of what america wants to be and makes good sense. >> the house passed a bill to suspend the program allowing the syrian and iraqi refugees into the u.s. until national security agencies are sure they don't pose a security risk. most experts i have spoken to do not believe that is a good idea but it is a politically popular. do you think this is just about politics? >> i don't. in talking to immigration lawyers, they say the key here, the most important pillar of immigration system is to ensure our national security and protect the american people. with that being said, i think that right now what this bill is doing, you ca

i want to bring in our commentators, marc lamont hill and ben ferguson.s, we just got this note in that shawn karencross, the chief operating officer of the rnc and former chief counsel will take the central role in the debate process as they try to hash all of this out and the demands that come to them from the candidates tonight. so you, ben, first. what do you make of carson's demands? are they just unrealist uic? >> well, i don't think he's going to get this. this is where you go in with an extreme idea and then you agree on something that's more realistic afterwards. and i think this is proof that all the campaigns are really looking to take back this process. they do not feel like the rnc has done a good job. in fact, most of the campaigns i've talked to over the last couple days have said that they think the rnc's lost control of the debate process. i think when you set this bar high, no one thinks there's going to be five-minute closing/opening and have half the debate here's who i am and this is what i want. voters would not really want to see th

we want to bring in harry houck and cnn political commentator marc lamont hill.n of even whether to release this video, i have to ask, given the fact that it's thanksgiving this week, there's going to be a lot of people offwork and away from home. mark, do you think it's a smart move to release it this week? >> well, i think the people have a right to know and the people need to know -- >> fair enough, but timing? >> i mean, i'm not sure if there's ever a good timing for this. >> fair. >> last year we were in ferguson before thanksgiving. and people said, let's do it before thanksgiving. people said, let's do it in the night, not in the morning. every month, there was a reason to do it and not to do it. ultimately, you have to release it and brace yourself for the fallout of something that could be very volatile. >> brace yourself, indeed. we know people are obviously upset about the death of a 17-year-old. i want to play some sound, harry, for a lawyer from the officer involved in this, officer jason van dyke. let me read it to you. i can't speak to why the othe

here to discuss, cnn political commentator, marc lamont hill, and sergeant joseph jacolob.o people are supposed to be out in huge numbers buying stuff in the stores, in chicago, michigan avenue, the miracle mile, people will spend a lot of money. why is it important to have this protest today? we just heard from father michael pfleger, who said business cannot go on if people are dying. >> well, that's exactly right. oftentimes, companies and even nation states don't have feelings. they have interests. and one of those interests is financial. if you can get people where it hurts financially, you can draw attention to a problem. all throughout american history, black people in particular, have taken economic measures in order to get people's attention. not because they expect a moral conversion, they expect an interest conversion. they expect the state to respond different. but the you shouldn't just have a boycott today or tomorrow, it's to redistribute the pain long-term, so people actually get the outcomes they want. >> and what is that outcome right now, in the near-term

>> marc lamont hill, weigh in on that idea of justice delayed. >> we can't always find someone to blame, other than the police department. two days ago, harry and i are debating and he says the police did nothing wrong. we see the video, they did something wrong -- >> you and i were speculating. you don't know nothing either. you didn't know any more than i did until you saw the video. but they knew. >> let me finish that thought, harry, i'm glad you said that. what i said was they were in contradictions that made me question the story. i don't know what's on the tape. you said the officer did nothing wrong without seeing the tape. >> we saw -- based on what we saw -- >> didn't see anything. >> that's what i meant. based on what we saw -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> final point. >> i made a point. my point is now that we have the video, now we have the information, saying the police officers didn't delay the investigation, we have no evidence to suggest the police didn't delay the investigation. >> you have any that they did? >> no, that's my point. >> thank you very much. >> but harry,