both marc short and greg jacob are two key players. when they began their cooperation with the january 6 select committee, it opened the door to a whole line of pressure that was put on vice president mike pence during that period of time. it provided insight into the push to have pence stand in the way of the certification of the election results on january 6th. efforts to get him to accept a false slate of electors. there are so many different connections that pence's office has to the attempts to stand in the way of the election e being certified for joe biden. and the fact that jacob and marc short, who were both very cooperative with the committee and told them a lot about what they knew during that period of time, it also would indicate that they would show the same level of cooperation with the department of justice as well. so, this is absolutely significant. it shows just how serious the department of justice is taking things, as their investigation speeds up in a major way. >> do we know why congresswoman laurie released this

and marc short is testifying about that. so to me, this really says they are in fact engaging in a criminal investigation that covers the broader conspiracy, so i think it's really important for that reason too. >> most experts agree with you, jennifer. very, very important development. >>> coming up, with recession fears rising right now, it's a crucial week for the u.s. economy. how is the biden administration handling the growing anxiety that's out there? we'll get a live update from the white house right after the break. lve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose.. or... his nose. in a recent clinical study, patients using salonpas patch reported reductions in pain severity, using less or a lot less oral pain medicines. and improved quality of life. ask your doctor about salonpas. it's good medicine. >>> right now, it's a make or break moment for the u.s. economy. with recession fears rising, the white house is eagerly awaiting critical new data and bracing for another interest rate hike from the f

for starters, we learned tonight that marc short, former vice president pence's chief of staff testifiedow, this is significant because short was there in the room for some of the key moments on and around the sixth. he's also th

marc short spoke to cnn late monday and shared his thoughts on the people who attacked the u.s. capitol on january 6. >> i think that on that day certainly there were probably some people who foolishly got caught up in the events that war happening on the 6th. but i think it is unfair to describe the rioters as patriots or merely expressing their first amendment rights. and i think, you know, as conservatives i think just a couple months before, we were very clearly calling for the prosecution of those in "black lives matter" protests who had destroyed businesses and taken lives. and i think that if we're consistent, then i think it applies in both cases and i think that if you heard vice president pence's remarks when the senate recoulnvened that night, he called that all involved should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. >> and donald trump clearly had a different view of those who stormed the capitol. new individvideo released showse was reluctant to strongly condemn the violence, it shows the text of his speech with several lines crossed out including one that said

president trump could not begin to even try to live up the fact that he doesn't know marc short. rt was incredibly important meetings. i think what's important about who marc short is in the world that is coming from is, that the vice president's office and mark short himself, we have not wanted to talk about january six too much. they have not wanted to sort of focus on it, because mark mike pence has been talking about inflation, but when you asked pence people, and i am including marc short, about january six, they don't hold back. marc short has been very clear and i talked to him last week out of the january 6th hearing. personally, he's been very clear that the january six, that the capitol riot was a shameful, shameful moment, that it was wrong, that the vice president had never had any sort of power to overturn the 2020 election. and he literally understands the danger that mike pence is under, and what it meant for a crowd that's already chanting, hang mike pence, to then get at 2:24 tweet from trump on january 6th saying he was criticizing mike pence again while he was b

i spoke to marc short, the former chief of staff to vice president pence. he confirmed he testified under subpoena in front of a federal grand jury investigating january 6th. he said it was his one and only time before the grand jury. we also learned greg jacob testified before the grand jury in that criminal investigation. according to the chairman of the january 6th committee, garland's investigators at the doj are focusing on trump lec ele electors. the breadth of that scheme is being laid out. there are newly disclosed emails obtained by "the new york times." this is an email send to trump adviser boris epstein from a phoenix-based lawyer. the phoenix lawyer writes, quote, we would be sending in fact electoral votes to pence so that someone in congress can make an objection when they start counting votes and argue the fake votes should be counted. team trump saying the quiet part out loud, admitting their plot was fake. in a follow up email, the lawyer follows up, pps alternative votes is probably a better term that fake votes, smiley face. now the janu

marc short and "the wall street journal" is also reporting greg jacob, the general counsel for -- the counsel for the former vice president, both have testified before this grand jury. and this is the grand jury, guys, that is looking at broader at the issue of the effort to stop certification of the election, which was an effort obviously focused on congress, as well as the effort to get these fake electors who would essentially be the people who could vote in donald trump and keep him in office. obviously the justice department investigation is -- is going a lot more slowly, perhaps, than members of congress and some of the critics would like. but there has been a lot of activity behind the scenes that they have not been able to detect. listen to representative adam kinzinger express some of that frustration. >> there was a lot of frustration, just kind of personally for the last, i guess, year and a half, like what's doj doing. obviously we have two different interests. ours is to get to the bottom of what happened, put out recommendations, the department of justice is to look at a

and boy, did marc short fight back?f he'll be, most likely, he'll be in prison for sex trafficking in 2024. and i don't know it allows them to speak to teenage conferences like that. i'm not too confident in what matt gaetz things. >> savage. savage. >> when i heard that, i watched -- is that real? i'd like to report a murder. that was premeditated. that was brutal. and language that was glidely un-pence like. that is what is so shocking. >> can i just say, matt gaetz, the whole dismissal of mike pence as president, i think he's wrong. i don't know who the mike pence voter is, he's polling at 6%. behind trump and desesantis and other characters and only doubling that 12% when trump is removed from the evasion. folks like this conservative who find him to be traitorist because he didn't stop trump fast enough. i don't know who his voters are. >> can i just ask you -- 42 -- >> 42. >> plus the 42 there. it made me wonder if this was a sign about something bigger. what if this isn't about matt gaetz per se? what if this is

get to what was going on in donald trump's head and potential criminality there, you've talked to marc shortnd greg jacob. who else might you try to talk to? >> very creative way of asking that. >> just getting started. >> people senior to short -- >> it's a worthy discussion. i don't know that you're going to get much senior to short unless you're calling in mark meadows but i would say this, i think that a lot of what i perceive doj to be focusing on is the pressure campaign and the weaponizing of government and the department of justice heading up to january 6th. obviously there is this separate track of, you know, obstructing the official proceeding, the violence and all that, but i think really things like the fake electors, this plot to say that the vice president could use powers he couldn't and communications that could have been had as part of that pressure campaign. so i think you can get a sense of who might have knowledge around that. the former chief of staff is someone who is important in that, pat cipollone is someone who is important in that and that he had visibility on t bu

i found it interesting that marc short was spotted. and probably revealed greg jacobs as a result of that, by waiting into the crowd that was at the courthouse for the ban and try. he is sophisticated. he knew exactly what he was doing. he wasn't trying to hide the fact that he had been in front of a grand jury. obviously, he had some to chat with reporters. if not greg jacobs as well. we are getting at the stage now where you have adversarial witnesses who made talks and we will learn more about with the investigation is doing and its direction. >> very significant to chat with the cnn reporter, where he was talking with aaron burnett or he made significant comments. susan, we've seen so much movement with the 1-6 committee and the investigation in georgia. does it seem like the federal investigation is picking it up? >> you, know the punditry about grand juries is a dangerous game, don. i would say it's clearly significant to be interviewing marc short and greg jacobs, because there are very important witnesses who directly saw the p

here he is now with marc short. and we know that marc short, former pence chief of staff along with his colleague greg jacobs, have no short of criticism for the former president and for mark meadows and their refusal to accept that having pence do what trump asked him to do would have been a violation of federal law. marc short and greg jacob were in the room when trump lawyer john eastman acknowledged in front of trump and them that to have vice president pence overturn the election would have been a violation of federal law. so, it's important to see that as trump aides break with him, that group of lawyers, their break is particularly momentous, i think. >> kyle, the doj's federal inquiries is one of the probes edging closer to the former president. you note a lot of investigations are under way. grand jury investigation by a local prosecutor in fulton county, a civil inquiry by the new york attorney general. what dangers do those investigations pose to the former president? >> sure. well, the fulton county inve

the former chief of staff, marc short, said he testified before a federal grand jury. now the new york journal reporting that defensive tierney, mark, jacob also testified. we are talking about two very high-profile witnesses here. why now? what does this say about where this federal investigation is headed? >> well it tells me that the department of justice has been doing a good bit of work with this grand jury. to get up to witnesses at that level. there's been a lot of ground late before they brought them in. they didn't just pop them in the grand jury. they have been interviewed, probably, weeks if not months earlier. and anticipation of the grand jury. that is the norm. these aren't targets, these are witnesses. and i found it interesting that marc short was spotted and probably revealed greg jacobs as a result of that. by waiting into the crowd for the bannon trial. he is sophisticated he knew exactly what he was doing. he wasn't trying to hide the fact that he had been in the jury. he obviously had some chat or reporters. if not, greg jacobs as well. so they're

but i can tell you, you know, marc short, he's a good man. he certainly knows a lot of what happened and i think under oath you can be pretty much committed that he'll tell the truth. >> ginni thomas was pressuring a number of officials to overturn election results. she was in touch with many major players. liz cheney says the committee's contemplating subpoenaing her. when will the committee move beyond thinking about it? >> so that's a discussion right now between ginni thomas' lawyers, our lawyers. we have been doing this now as a committee for about a year. our lawyers are very good at knowing when we have gone from legitimate negotiations, which occur between, you know, somebody who wants to come in and testify, or who should come and testify, and a committee. they know when it goes from that legitimate negotiation to stall tactics and that's usually when they kind of give us a signal, this is going nowhere, they're trying to buy time and we may move to a subpoena. i think it is important, look, we're not interested in talking to ginni t

marc short. rich, thank you.resident biden and his team are bracing for new economic numbers thursday that could indicate the u.s. economy is, in fact, in a recession. one expert says a global recession may be coming as well. the administration is already fighting back against that term, which could inspire even more defections for democrats in the november elections. white house correspondent peter doocy has the latest tonight from the north lawn. good evening, peter. >> good evening, bret. officials around here really don't like the word recession. the word they like to describe the economy instead is transition from rapid growth to steady growth and officials argue that things are slowing down but that is good as president biden continues quarantining with covid for a fifth day. >> i never look that good. i hope i look as good as i usually do which is not that good. >> the president's doctor says is he almost back to full strength. and when he emerges from quarantine, he will be facing reports, like this one,

cnn reported earlier today that marc short, greg jacobs testimony shows how the investigation inside the trump white house. but the post tonight going even further with that, ryan, give me some details on conversations with trump. how does this all fit together, sir? >> well, you know, don, for a long time there has been at least some criticism of merrick garland and the attorney generals office that they have not done enough to specifically linked the events of january six to donald trump. but their actions over the past two weeks or so show that garland's investigation is getting increasingly closer to trump itself. and the post reporting tonight, coupled with what we have reported about the grand jury testimony and the different people who have come before and answered questions about this investigation showed that garland and his team are not just satisfied with this band of advisers around trump, who were influencing him and basically telling him what he wanted to hear as related to the election and the role mike pence could play. but that they are specifically interested in tru

marc short, who was chief of staff to then vice president mike

>> you put this together, john, with the information that we learned over the weekend, that marc short and the president's -- marc short was the vice president's chief of staff, and also the vice president's chief legal counsel had been subpoenaed to testify and did testify to a federal criminal grand jury here in washington, d.c. on friday. put that together with the information that you just discovered and what you're sort of seeing is evidence, indirect evidence that the department of justice investigation into january 6th, which we know is going on because they charged over 800 people, i think, with crimes related to the attack on the capitol, but the fact that marc short was there, the lawyer was there, now this information that you presented in the last couple of hours gives some evidence that the doj investigation is now moving closer and closer to the white house. starting to talk to people inside the trump orbit as opposed to just the rioters themselves, the proud boys and oath keepers. i think that is probably the most significant piece of information we have in the last coup

a former mike pence cheech of staff, marc short, confirm last night here on cnn, that he did receive and did comply with a grand jury subpoena, his first appearance before the washington, d.c., grand jury. marc would not discuss the content of his testimony. but a witness to a long list of episodes including the senior circle of trump allies who pushed a scheme with the home that vice president pence would then refuse to certify the real biden electors. multiple reports say greg jacob, pence's former chief counsel, also appeared before the federal grand jury. he, too, had a close-up view of trump 's effort to get the vice president to go along. the new disclosures tell us the justice department investigation is poking around donald trump's west wing and his inner circle, and they confirm the fake electorate plot is a major focus. straight to our justice correspondent. big, high-profile witnesses. this is a big deal. >> this is a very big deal, john. look, these two men, marc short and greg jacob are, as you pointed out, witnesses to a lot of things. let me point your attention to a co

this is the kind of questions you would be asking of the people you would be asking, marc short, gregacob, what were your conversations with the president, what did he say, what did he do. also the fact that they pulled phone records of mark meadows, that's also what you would do at doj if you were focused on the white house. merrick garland's mantra is ground up. he said we start from the ground and we build from there. it's no longer a question of can we flip one of these oath keepers and hope to reach donald trump, now they're going at people that actually will have information about donald trump. >> how do you see it? >> indeed, we're getting closer and closer physically. if you look at the offices of the people they're talking to, the phone records they are seizing you're getting closer and closer to the oval office. there's only one person that they can logically be trying to get information about. whether or not it results in an indictment, where this all goes is a separate question, but they are certainly building an important case. the polling suggesting that, some of this is

or start as we learned tonight that marc short, the former vice president's head of staff testified underrand jury in washington. according to a source familiar with the matter. this is significant to short was there in the room, in the key moment on around the. six he's also the highest profile witness coming to testify so far. we'll talk more about what that might say about the justice department's criminal investigation, how far can. go also, late today president biden went in on the central figure in thursday's january six hearing. >> so, it happened. the capital police, d. c. metropolitan police, other law enforcement agencies were attacked and assaulted before our very eyes. speared, sprayed, stomped on, brutalized. and lies or lost. and for three hours, the defeated former president of the united states watched it all happened he sat in the comfort of the private dining room next to the oval office. >> as for the committee, it apparently is not waiting until september either. today elaine lori, released a new video clip that shows the former presidents unwillingness to include in t

marc short, the highest person in the criminal probe january 6, we should also note that pence's formerounsel greg jacobs has also testified there. how significant is it, mike? >> it's potentially very significant. i've always believed that donald trump will be the republican nominee in 2024, so long as he's healthy, so long as he's solvent and unindicted. okay. now, we're in that third realm. john, for a long time, we thought he faced the greatest legal peril from the southern district. all of a sudden, the southern district was really not pursuing criminal charges against donald trump. then the manhattan district attorney's office, anybody remember cy vance jr. and what's he going to do before he leaves office? fulton county all of a sudden out of nowhere posing real peril to donald trump. all the why because the house committee can't bring charges. all the while it fathers that the feds were the tail on the dog. well, maybe the fed were underestimating because as you point out this was a grand jury seemingly looking at january 6, but also the preceding event which is would include ja

than marc short is karen pence. >> we all know how mike feels about karen pence. piece about mike pence for yahoo news, you quote a top trump adviser keeping tabs on pence who said of the former vice president, quote, they're very strategic about when he pops his head up. his path to the white house f he has one and i argue he does not, do exactly what he's been doing. what do you think that aide meant by that? what is mike pence doing right now? and does he have a chance of being the 2024 republican nominee? i feel like i have more of a chance of being the gop presidential nominee than mike pence? >> i mean, the field is open. you might as well. as it goes with pence, yeah. he does have a chance. but the tension here for him in particular is how does he address this? another thing that happened today is they released the title and the cover of his book coming out november 15th. it's about the oath of office. so help me god. it hints at this. and the publisher apparently is counting on him to actually talk about january 6th. yet he himself is not. again today you

so, we're starting to see that now, seeing marc short in the grand jury. i believe the only reason we know marc short was in the grand jury, it isn't the doj is starting to fill the courthouse, but the courthouse was full of reporters for mark ban on. i think this signals the justice department is looking beyond the physical attack at the capitol into the inner circle of donald trump, on those advising him on this plot to steal the election. i think the stakes have gotten very high for donald trump. >> barbara mcquaid, allie ra if. if. a, thank you. >>> the kremlin saying they haven't reached a concrete result for a potential prisoner swap agreement. the biden administration just announced they put a substantial offer on the table weeks ago. now, joining us to discuss is julia, founding partner and washington correspondent for puck and jason rising. you have to tell me that last name, with "the washington post," wrongfully imprisoned in iran in 2014. so, julia, we'll get to you first here. yesterday you said that announcing this publicly here would be a ba

approval so my guess is absolutely, nobody has confirmed that, but you know, if you are seeing marc short, he is the only person closest to mike pence that mike short carries the pants. >> we all know how mike feels about karen pants. and your piece about mike pence and yahoo news, you -- trump advisor keeping tabs on tans who set of the former vice president quote, they are very strategic about when he pops his head up. his path to the white house, if he has won, and the it argues that he does not, it's to do exactly what he has been doing. what do you think that aid meant that? what is mike pence doing right now? and as you have a chance of being the 2024 republican nominee? i think like i have more of a chance of being the gop presidential nominee that mike pence. >> i mean, the field is open. you might as well. [laughs] nobody is as -- as anybody. >> as it goes with pence, yeah, he does have a chance. but you know, the tension here for him in particular, how does he address this? and you know, another thing that happened today is that they release the title and the cover of this both

that is from marc short's testimony from the january 6th committee. meadows has a lot of criminal exposure from these very quick crimes. the justice department can say to him, we will strike a deal with you. you flip and cooperate with us. or we can even provide you immunity. and you cooperate with us. and give us everything you know about president trump. the principal on all of these guns. >> and how significant is it in your view, that to penn state, marc short and greg jacob had recently testified to a grand jury, to a high is how white house officials to do so? >> i think it's incredibly significant. it means the investigators are going straight into the white house. calling to the wall street journal's reporting and cooberated now with the washington post, the questions the prosecutors are asking and asked specifically jacob and short, it's about for example, the january 4th meeting with president trump, that is the meeting with trump's only lawyer to tell him that the plan was legal. in the meeting, concedes that it is illegal for pence to carr

is that marc short just gave sworn testimony to a federal grand jury.marc short is the first trump white house official that we know who has been subpoenaed and has given testimony to a federal grand jury, a federal grand jury working with the u.s. federal prosecutors from the justice department on potential indictments related to january six. now, we don't know exactly what that means. we don't know what's vice president mike pence's chief of staff testified to the grand jury about, we don't even know which of what i have been reportedly several grandeur is working on this, he might have testified to. but, it is a rare sign of life, a rare of proof of life moment from the u.s. department of justice in terms of whether they're doing anything. whether anybody other than just the rider themselves might ever face any sort of criminal charges related to this effort to over turn the government by force to keep trump in power. relatedly, in georgia, today there was a setback for the georgia state prosecutor who is using a special grand jury there to investiga

wasn't just marc short weighing in on. mike pence himself wrote a letter to nancy pelosi in the days, i believe, after january 6th, also very much pouring cold water on the 25th amendment. i'm really looking to see what these former cabinet officials say. did they seriously have conversations about it? did they approach the president about it? a number are actual insiders and loyalists to the president so they may not be that useful providing testimony to the committee or potentially a grand jury. we'll have to see. >> we shall see. thank you very, very much. >>> just ahead, growing fears right now of recession as new numbers show the u.s. economy continuing to shrink. many americans think we're already there. we'll talk about it with former treasury secretary. stand by. ♪ my relationship with my credit cards wasn't good. i got into debt in college and, no matter how much i paid, it followed me everywhere. between the gh interest, the fees... i feltrapped. debt, debt, debt so i broke up with my credit card debt d consolida

like marc short testified to the grand jury it's in virtually impossible for that to remain secret the other way we will get strong indicators of the progress of the federal criminal investigation of donald trump, or court filings by the justice department. and so we learned today that federal investigators obtained a second search warrant to look at the contents of the phone of john eastman, the trump attorney who advocated using fake electors to the electoral college, to fraudulently overturn the presidential election. a court filing today by the justice department says underlie 12th, 2022, a federal agent obtained a second federal search warrant from the eu district court from the district of columbia that authorizes review of the contents of the -- laurence tribe interpreted this news this way the department of justice has now obtained a warrant to search john eastman 's cell phone. the department of justice has had the phone since june 22nd, now it has judicial permission to search its contents. to get that warrant, the department of justice had to specify the crimes it has good c

we know that from last week that the white house top aides from pence marc short and mr. jacobs were both interviewed as well. that is all bearing fruit. now the question is, does the department have the goods right now? do they need more? do they try to flip a chinese man or dreadfully clark or mark meadows? none of these are guys who are particularly known for being particularly strong or stable so they all may be targets. the other big question is what is the justice department going to bring former vice president mike pence before a grand jury? i think they have to. i'd be very curious about andrew weizmann's views on, up to me that's part of the story. pence's aides have heard the story, but i think everybody should hear from him himself. >> that's a good point, because the grand jury is a totally different appointment from the -- it's 100 percent private. the vice president's testimony is absolutely secret and can only be revealed in a later court proceeding, whether might be a statement from the grand jury that is quoted. and so, there is no spectacle aspect to it,

that subpoena not, framed in your article tonight along with the information about marc short, these two grand jury witnesses who were just there, and others apparently that you are aware of who have been asked many questions about donald trump, how would you describe the level of focus on donald trump in some of the grand jury testimony? >> you know, here is a moment where i would like to say kudos to my colleagues on this byline along with me. josh ducey who covers nearly everything, spencer chu who covers the u.s. attorney's office. all of them applied into this territory for many, many days to try to unearth what these details were. what the team learned was that so much of particularly marc short's conversation with the grand jury was dominated by what did trump say, and what did trump do? what did trump tell his lawyers? then what was trump's reaction to that? that description over and over again of the grand jury prosecutor who's not asking for a fishing expedition. a grand jury is one of prosecutor is asking questions they know they need the answer to in preparation for trial

but what this does tell us, as where things stand right now, is that marc short and greg jacob going into the grand jury not answering all the questions, clearly the prosecutors don't have all the answers here and don't have everything they want out of this piece of investigation. so, there would be a ways to go to figure this out and to potentially get more information. we are also learning about a lot of investigative work that the justice department is doing, that they're obtaining the cell phone of john eastman. now, as of july 12th, they're getting to look the contents of that. we're reporting tonight someone working with jeffrey clark, who was working with trump at the justice department, he was searched. and the justice department is nailing down what cassidy hutchinson, that key witness in the house select committee investigation, what she had to say, that she's now also in touch with justice department investigators sochl, ice all coming together, but we don't really know where it's going or how long it will take. >> finally on the executive privilege things, i'm not sure an

they're willing to subpoena someone as former high-level as marc short? >> it shows they're serious, that's why today is so important this grand jury testimony is so important. it shows the justice department is not just focusing on the small fish. whether there will be indictments of people up to and including president trump, i certainly don't know that. but, there certainly would be indictments of the people like -- merrick garland, no person is above the law, you can look at it and it puts it into sharper focus. >> and ran juries investigations are by definition secret, the only reason this came out -- short coming out of the courthouse. we don't know, who exactly testified in the grand jury. but, the fact that they are there, -- >> we don't know, won't know until either someone breaks it or charges are filed, how far advance they are in their investigation. >> no, the several ways you can find out. you can see people physically see them going in and out. all the reporters know which of the grander, individuals can say that they testify. but whether t

reason that this is arising is that there are 2 people who wanted to grandeur in recent weeks, marc short and greg jacob, but work under mike pence and office at the vice president. they had certain things they could not talk about. they think those things might be off limits because doesn't it might be privileged. or they want to the grand jury and declined to answer questions. now, we are seeing the just portland leading up to the moment where they want to challenge these executive privilege claims that donald trump might try to get them wiped away, so that they are not standing in the way from getting those facts from witnesses like short and jacob. this would take it into a new aggressive face, because we have not seen a court battle like this related to january 6 and the powers of the presidency, the separation of powers. the question is how long that court battle might day, and that's always been a question with the january six committee, bringing people to executive privilege claim >> right now, you could take a long time. the courts moved slowly in some instances, and fast and oth

because we learned that mike pence's former chief of staff, marc short, testified before a grand juryrtment of justices separate probe into the insurrection last friday. short is perhaps the highest profile trump white house official who testified so far, at least as far as we are aware. the grand jury, also reportedly heard from pence's top legal adviser, a man by the name of greg jacob, who you may recognize who previously testified before the january six committee. he had a big sort of showdown with eastman, about pence's ability of unilaterally changing the election. their testimony signals the attorney general's investigation, and the department of justice investigation which has been quite unfolding in the background, and has further expanded its scope, from the actual insurrection itself, and the people that were in the building, to the plotting of the coup attempt. democratic congresswoman elaine luria of virginia sits on the january six committee, and joins me now. congresswoman, let me just start on that news. obviously, i know these are completely parallel tracks, and you h

then came news that the day after that eighth and final hearing, marc short, who's it to us that to mark pence, testified before a grand jury investigating this insurrection. yesterday, we learned that shot wasn't the only pence to testify. pence's chief counsel, greg jacob, also appeared before the grand jury. making those two officials the most prominent witnesses that we know of that off testified as part of the department of justice's criminal investigation before a criminal grand jury they were both present for key meetings when donald trump tried to allied to pressure pans into halting the electoral votes for january six. today we got the stunning report from the new york times publishing previously undisclosed emails that shed new light on the ex presidents scheme. this is really something else. quote, the dozens of emails among people connected to the trump campaign outside advisers, close associates to mr. trump, show a particular focus on assembling lists of people who would claim,, -- with no basis -- to be electoral college electors on his behalf in battleground states that h

both jacobs and marc short were the first big witnesses that the january 6th elect committee were able to cooperate that were inside that orbit of the white house, the oval office, west wing and the days leading up to january 6. what the testimony revealed at that time, was the intense pressure campaign that was put on vice president mike pence and the steps that he stood to resist that and satellite on the fake collector plot going on around the country. these are things we did not previously know until the committee was able to crack core of mike pence and the inner circle. the fact that they are cooperating, they are under subpoena and the testimony is behind closed doors to a grand jury but it is a significant move. and more than anything it shows they are very much interested in the plot to subvert the will of the american people beyond just the violence that took place on january 6. >> the select committee releasing new evidence today, what does that show? >> reporter: it shows they left a lot on the cutting room floor last thursday. it was a lot of information as it relates to d

marc short was so alarmed that he actually notified pence's secret service detail. he said to the committee, my concern was for the vice president's security, so i wanted to make sure that the head of the vice president's secret service was aware that likely as these disagreements became more public, that the president would lash out in some way and that's exactly what ended up happening. >> i mention that had greg jacobs also testified before the grand jury. explain his significance. >> he's another important player. he was counsel to mike pence and he really pushed back against john eastman on this legal theory that the vice president in his xas as the cincinnati has the legal and constitutional authority to reject certain electoral votes. at one point he testified that he made this, what i think is a really interesting argument about why that cannot be. jacob that that part of my discussion with mr. eastman was, if you're right, don't you think that al gore would have had just declared himself president of the united states? and john eastman acknowledged that his

fight, to go into court and say we need these conversations between donald trump and key advisers, marc short and perhaps higher ranking advisers. the bad news is those disputes historically have taken a ridiculously long time, over a year if you think back to the don mcgahn dispute. recently, earlier this year, the january 6th committee went to court and got decisions within a few months and it's up to doj to push judges, we need this really quickly. judges have to do their jobs in a more timely manner because these are crucial legal questions, these are crucial separation of powers questions, and this will determine whether doj gets access to crucial conversations. >> can i ask you about these missing texts? i have to believe that you have been involved in cases where texts couldn't be found. and so the fact that these texts can't be found from the secret service and the department of homeland security, is there anything that can be done to get them? >> let me try to explain this. as a non technological person, there are times when it appears that texts are gone. i had a case once where we

but think about what marc short has testified about.stified about the effort to intimidate and coerce vice president pence from doing his duty in counting the electoral votes. he's testified to the january 6th committee about the scheme to put up fake electors. he's testified about the effort to intimidate and change justice department officials who were not cooperative with the former president. all of that is potential evidence of criminality on the part of donald trump. it doesn't mean a crime was committed but that's what he testified about. that's now in the grand jury. so clearly it's something that's under investigation. >> and weep know what he might have testified about because we all heard it publicly during the january 6 committee hearings. we heard a lot from short in the deposition they did with him and he made it clear, they made it clear, they want their hearings to nudge along the justice department. here is how adam kinzinger, who is on the committee, responded to this news of short testifying to the grand jury. >> a lo

they'll talk to marc short and mr. jacobs, they'll learn about other people they talk to, they're going to go up the chain. they're close to the top of the pyramid now by talking to people -- >> that's what i'm asking. that's high up on the chain. how much higher do you need to go before you make a decision? >> well, let's say they build a case against mark meadows and confront meadows through his counsel with a case that they plan to bring. mr. meadows is going to have a difficult decision to make, does he continue to stand fast and refuse to cooperate, or does he behave like many punitive potential defendants behave and decide to cooperate with the justice department and provide evidence against the former president? so this is how criminal investigations are built. it is obviously an extraordinary case involving the former president of the united states, the department of justice still has to put one foot in front of the other. you know, it is like an iceberg, we only see the tip of the iceberg through investigative

marc short, the former chief of staff to former vice president mike pence, testified before a federal grand jury looking into the january 6th attack. short was at the capitol the day of the siege. he was also with pence as he hid from rioters who stormed the building. the justice department has been investigating efforts of allies of former president trump to overturn the results of the 2020 election. >>> pope francis issued a long-awaited apology for the catholic church's role in the treatment of indigenous people in canada for decades. he appeared before thousands of people yesterday, including survivors of the country's residential christian schools. he said it was a disastrous error when the church forced more than 150,000 native children from their homes from the late 1800s to the 1990s in an attempt to make them christian. thousands of children were physically and sexually abused. >> for some, the apology may not be what is needed to begin their healing journey. for others it is what is needed. however you feel, it is valid. >> pope francis will be in canada for the rest of the

they're talking to people like marc short who was the vice president's chief of staff. the vice president's counsel who was greg jacob answering questions. these are people who were in a meeting, for instance, on january 4th where the former president was pushing mike pence to accept this legal theory from john eastman, his lawyer, that he had the power to block the certification of the election results and to help pave the way for these fake electors to keep the former president in power. we know, for instance, that back in january we heard from lisa monaco who told me in an interview that they were looking into these fake electors, and then we saw these subpoenas that went out to dozens of these people, and again, all of these things tell us that they've been circling around the former president to try to get a better picture of exactly what he knew, how central he was to all of this and to potentially launch an investigation, formal investigation of the former president. >> yeah, and renato, of course the question is does this circling around the former president lea

marc short, his chief of staff, testified extensively in private.he other thing that they argue sort of privately is -- and i think they have done it publicly as well, that it would be a bad precedent for the vice president of the united states to comply with a request from congress, kind of pitching forward to what happen as in november if the house does go for republicans and if as expected they launch a slew of investigations on democrats, including the white house, is that going to be precedent-setting when it comes to the separations of power. so there are lots of issues here. and again, unlikely -- it will be unlikely that the former vice president will testify. according to -- and this is not my opinion, this is according to the source i spoke with. >> just enblem emblematic of ho fraught this is, how long does this continue. the committee gathering last night about it all. just very clearly there couldn't be anymore politically fraught than asking the former president and former vice president who where r. wrapped up in all of this to testif

this isn't a doj investigation, including his former chief of staff, marc short. take us through what's fourth appearances may mean at this point, is this a sign of the investigation? is it zeroing in on the white house? >> i think it absolutely is. harder than any other way. we can see the justice department getting closer to the target. it is looking at the revelations that we have seen over the last few weeks. first to see evidence that the department had subpoenaed people out of states, asking for communications with top trump officials. then you see the department heads had search warrants on the homes of some of the key architects of this plan. jeffrey clark, the former justice -- the outside lawyer came up with this and fake elector scheme. finally, you see the vice presidents aides coming into the grand jury. it is hard to imagine what they would be there to talk about except for the presidents pressure on the vice president to, ultimately, participate in the fake elector scheme. i think we can see that as the apartment not just getting close but finally f

then came news that the day after that, marc short who's the chief of staff for mark pence testified by before a grand jury investigating his reaction. yesterday we learned that short was not the only one. pence's chief counsel greg jacob also pier before the grand jury making those two officials the most prominent official witness is that we know of to testify as part of the department of justices investigation before a criminal grand jury. they were both present four key meetings were donald trump's allies tried to pressure people into halting electoral votes for january six. today we got the stunning report from the new york times publishing previously undisclosed emails that shed new light on the former presidents fake electors scheme. the dozens of emails among people connected to the trump vein sivs isn't close associates of mr. trump show particular focus on assembling lists of people who would claim -- with no basis -- to be electoral college electors on his behalf in battleground states that he had lost. he authored some of those emails and an arizona lawyer repeatedly calle

marc short had very compelling testimony before the house panel which he probably also offered to the grand jury where, again, he indicated that in that crazy meeting on january 4 with all these outside lawyers trump knew that the fake elector scheme was fake and illegal. so there we look at possible exposure for crimes like conspiracy to defraud the united states, a very serious felony. >> i want to play for you a clip from part of an exclusive conversation my colleague lester holt had with the attorney general merrick garland, took place late yesterday. >> it is inevitable in this kind of investigation that there will be speculation about what we are doing, who we are investigating, what our theories are. the reason there is this speculation and uncertainty is that a fundamental tenet of what we do as prosecutors and investigators is to do it outside of the public eye. >> outside of the public eye. he also says no one is above the law. what unique challenges exist here for a justice department in this political climate in a campaign year ahead of the midterms this fall to be pursuin

. >> reporter: in a new development in the doj's probe, marc short, former vice president mike pence's top aide, said he testified before a federal grand jury. pence who also spoke in washington at a dueling event tuesday, said the main difference between the former running mates isn't the issues but focus. >> i truly do believe that elections are about the future. >> reporter: while pence did not talk directly about january 6th in his speech, the former vp will release his autobiography later this year with details of how former president trump severed their relationship on january 6th. natalie brand, cbs news, washington. >>> breaking overnight, the mega millions jackpot is now more than $1 billion. no one matched all six members -- numbers in last night's drawing. the last time someone won the jackpot was april 15th. that's 29 consecutive drawings without a big winner. your next chance to win is friday night. >>> a state of emergency was declared in st. louis after record rainfall hammered the area and left at least one person dead. more than a foot of rain dropped in surrounding ar