probablyjustice marchand witnesses. probably justice marchand will witnesses. trump in terms of allowing him to make statements about michael: because cohen has to the airwaves. —— statements about michael cohen. it is a basic premise in the us of a fair trial that witnesses not be touched or given any reason not to want to come to court. stan; touched or given any reason not to want to come to court.— touched or given any reason not to want to come to court. stay with us, we will return _ want to come to court. stay with us, we will return to _ want to come to court. stay with us, we will return to our _ want to come to court. stay with us, we will return to our correspondent. we will return to our correspondent who is right outside the courthouse, nada tawfik, who is there. what is happening there at the moment, are there still demonstrators on site? yes. in the park in front of me there are still a number of protesters both for and against donald trump who have turned up at the courthouse. i mean, this is kind of a common scene that we have become accustomed

i do have to ask you about this because judge marchand has not been playing around with this. hours ago, trump shared, reposted on truth social, this claim from jesse watters of fox. they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge in order to get on the trump jury. so saith jesse watters. does that run up to the line of violating the gag order? does that flirt with it were is that fair game? >> it is not for game because it is a lie. there is no evidence to support it. if you are referring to specific individuals and trying to intimidate them it would violate the gag order. i think he is just trying to poison the well in the public domain. saying that nothing here is fair, it can't be fair. people can't be fair to me. even though he spent his entire life in new york until relatively recently. >> independent of trying to poison the well, which is no small thing, it also could be at some point construed as this goes on and the jury is finally selected as a form of intimidation that puts the jurors lives in danger as they perceive liberal stooges out there to ge

judge juan marchand denied a motion to push the trial start date until the supreme court rules on his claims of immunity. marchand also refused to keep evidence out of the trial based on presidential immunity, saying trump waited too long to make that request. trump's attorneys are trying to block evidence, including tweets and public remarks that they consider to be official presidential acts. jury selection in this case is set to begin 11 days from now on april 15th. >>> the university of texas at austin is eliminating dozens of positions to try to comply with the state's controversial anti-dei law. while the school did not give an exact number, the texas conference of american association of university professors says 60 people who previously served in dei roles have been fired. the firings come after a gop state senator warned the university to better comply with the law. critics say ut has already overcorrected, and this latest round of firings is another overreaction. >>> turning now to an update on the baltimore bridge that collapsed last week killing six workers. during a news

meanwhile, in the criminal hush money case in new york, judge juan marchand has extended a gag order. mr. trump is now barred from attacking the family members of court staff, in addition to witnesses and prosecutors. the republican frontrunner has called on the judge to recuse himself and repeatedly attacked marchand's daughter because she worked for a firm that was used by democratic campaigns. trump accused the daughter of using a picture of him behind bars as a profile picture on social media. but a spokesperson for the court said the account was not actually hers. the d.a.'s office says trump's attacks have been based on falsehoods, saying the defendant knows what he is doing, and everyone else does too. a source with direct knowledge tells nbc news that hope hicks is expected to testify in the hush money case. as you may recall, hicks was the trump campaign press secretary back in 2016 when trump is alleged to have made hush money payments. now mr. trump has denied any wrongdoing. jessica? >> all right, brie, thank you. >>> now to a city commissioner in oklahoma who is facing a

the republican frontrunner has called on the judge to recuse himself and repeatedly attacked marchand's daughter because she worked with the firm that was used by democratic campaigns. trump accused the daughter of using a picture of him behind bars as her profile picture on social media. but a spokesperson for the court said the account was not actually hers. the d.a.'s office says trump's attacks have been based on falsehoods, saying the defendant knows what he is doing and everyone else does too. a source with direct knowledge tells nbc news that hope hicks is expected to testify in the hush money case. hicks was the trump campaign press secretary back in 2016 when trump is alleged to have made hush money payments. now mr. trump has denied any wrongdoing, jessica? >> all right, brie, thank you. >>> now to some major decisions out of florida's supreme court on monday. the justices approving a measure on recreational marijuana for the november ballot. and two decisions impacting abortion rights, paving the way for a six-week ban but with a chance for voters to reverse that on election

judge marchand blasted the defendant for speaking out of turn. on top of that, trump has been, to my mind, flagrantly violating the gag order against him that prohibits him from speaking about jurors, court, staff, prosecutors in the case. yesterday prosecutors urged judge marchand to hold trump in contempt for those violations. the judge said he would not rule on that until next week. then a truly horrifying scene during lunch break. a man set himself on fire. police identified the man's as max azzarello from new york. he remains in critical care in the hospital tonight. the court did manage to continue after that interruption holding what is called a sandoval hearing, outlining the scope of questions the defendant can face during the trial so the defendant can decide whether he wants to testify in his own defense. >> we just had another hearing on the trial starts on monday [ inaudible ] >> we will see about that. before the day was over, trump faced one final setback. an appeals court denied his hail mary request to delay the trial and move th

the trump legal front is the former president tries to make a second attempt to kick a judge on marchand off of the case just before trial. and on the classified documents case, a precarious turn as a special counsel jack smith appears to be reaching his breaking point with florida judge aileen cannon. here to break it down, , and host of the katie feng show on msnbc. so, covers trump and the justice department. hugo, i miss you hanging out with us on capitol hill. katie, i'm so glad you are here to talk with us about this all the time because you always set me straight but i think to me, delay has always been the main tactic here for trump. if so, how does that factor into what we are seeing with the hush money case against judge marchand right now? >> that wall has a name, that wall is named juan merchan. so, judge merchan has seen many attempts by donald trump to maybe delay the case in its entirety, the latest being this motion to recuse judge merchan. the problem is, there are standards, legal standards that have to be met to recuse a judge. in this particular instance, i along with

judge marchand will roll on prior bad acts that the prosecutors could bring up a prosecutors take the stand and he has many case. and after, the first witness will be called to give testimony against him. the identity of the witnesses the source of intense speculation today. prosecutors agreed to give defense lawyers one witness name only if it did not share it with trump. happening tomorrow, a hearing on the $175 million bond that trump posted to appeal his civil judgment he could be forced to come up with cash or find a new bond company. robbed of his first chance to write on the weekend, court, on the stormy weather comes along. s >> after what we have been calling every week for former president trump now had an even stronger weekend. this was said -- set to be his first campaign rally since the start of his criminal trial. it was going to be taking place in wilmington, north carolina. a pivotal swing state. he nearly carried it in 2020 and it will be a key piece of the puzzle to an electoral path to victory. he was supposed to walk out two- stage at this other rally in wilmington

but, let's talk about your bu thoughts on the success of this motion to recuse judge marchand. >> i don't think it will have any success. because we have seen no evidence to suggest any conflict, or that this judge is not impartial. in fact, what we are seeing is what we see regularly from donald trump, which is if you are on my side, i will defend you. if you are not on my side, i will attack you. we have seen how many judges donald trump has attacked simply for doing the job of being a judge, when it did not service interest, actually putting them at risk and at danger to themselves and even family members. but in this case, what is the evidence? i think we should really talk about, if we want to talk about who should be recuse, we should talk about judge aileen cannon in florida. >> to that point, glenn, i have some serious issues with what er is going on down in mar-a-lago. listen, i get it, the first criminal trial for donald trump will be coming up on the 15th here in new york city, but the bigger question of that classified documents case sits heavily on a lot of us. i took serious

i want to speak quickly about the notion of jury selection and judge marchand's letter. >> after you so dance. >> jury selection is undoubtedly one of the most important parts of any trial. 70% or higher of your trial is won and lost with your ability to choose a jury. what judge marchand did with that letter that stuck out to me that is really important as he said look, for any juror who self identifies themselves as unable to serve, we're not even going to interview them. that significantly cuts down the amount of time it's going to take in order to cheddars a jury. for a trial like this, it is unprecedented when you're talking about a former president of the united states finding a fair and partial jury in the state is not an easy dance. we're talking about people who already don't want to be involved in don't want to go to jury duty. if he has already decided we are not going to interrogate those people, he is being very serious about the effect of getting directly to the people who are going to be here. we are going to go through this people and you're going to have to make some

judge marchand told the court that the opening statements would start on monday. that did not stop donald trump's lawyers to try to delay the case. this is at least the tenth time the trump team has been denied a trial delay request. donald trump isn't going to stop the wheels of justice from turning on monday. a key question is whether or not he'll be a witness in his own criminal trial. this is what donald trump told reporters today. >> are you going to testify? >> yes. >> now, this is donald trump we're talking about. his yes can't really be taken at face value. especially when we know what sorts of questions donald trump could be facing from prosecutors. after jury selection was complete, the judge held a sandoval hearing where prosecutors revealed the lawsuits they plan on using in cross-examination against donald trump to get at his credibility if he takes the witness stand. prosecutors want to ask about the civil fraud case, all of his gag order violations that continue to grow. the trump foundation case, and the sanctions, the sanctions order for his frivo

. >> por otra parte, tambien en nueva york, el juez juan marchand a cargo del caso penal por el fraudeos financieros para ocultar el pago para silenciar a una actriz porno, extendio la orden mordaza para evitar que trump critique a las familias de los jueces despues de que el criticara a la hija del juez merchan en las redes sociales. >> los votantes de florida podran decidir el futuro del aborto y tambien de la marihuana el proximo mes de novie hombre. >> hoy la corte suprema de este estado dejo que entrar en vigor la prohibicion al aborto a partir de la sexta semana de gestacion con la excepcion de violacion, incesto o cuando la vida de la madre corre peligro. >> sin embargo, el maximo tribunal de florida dijo que los electores tendran la oportunidad de votar si quieren consagrar el derecho al aborto en la constitucion estatal y tambien podran votar para aprobar el uso ludico de la marihuana que ya es legal con fines medicos en florida. >> ninguna, no tiene ningun tipo de regulacion si esa iniciativa se enmienda va a la boleta, la florida va a ser el punto clave por la lucha para la

this is marchand saying this. i couldn't make out what it was, but i want you to understand that witness intimidation will not be tolerated in my courtroom, have a talk with your client. >> again, i'm going to do my check in that i always do. katherine, with you who practiced for 30 years in that office, a common thing in voir dire to have the defendant like audibly -- >> no. >> -- saying things to the jurors. >> i'm not making light of this. only the mentally unwell ones. that's the only time you see criminal defendants acting out. and then it's sort of you understand it. >> someone who for some deep psychological reason literally can't control themselves, and that's really the only case. >> that's the only time you ever see that. >> i will say having watched both echltd jean carol trials, there were some episodes that were reminiscent of what happened today. i don't recall them happening during jury selection themselves, but there were times when lawyers were speaking in the courtroom and he disagreed with what

trump has now or somebody acting on his behalf as now, remove those posts, but judge marchand is ruling also came with a warning that if trump continues to violate the gag order, the judge will quote impose an incarcerated lori punishment, aka, put trump in jail. i want to bring in former trump payroll corporation attorney bill brennan defense attorney, can woo and cnn's kristen holmes and jamie gan gao. thank you so much for being here. let's review some of the more headline grabbing moments of the last hour or two obviously what is important here for the prosecution to prove is that not only these payments were made not only. were the business records covered up, but it was all done in the furtherance of what the prosecutor is calling election interference. in other words, keeping information away from the public perhaps the most salacious part of today's testimony came when keith davidson, the attorney for stormy daniels, and karen mcdougal, was testifying about the access hollywood tape being released in early october. he says he texted national enquirer editor-in-chief, dylan howar

. >> and vaughn, when are we expecting decisions or rulings on the evidence from judge marchand? >> reporter: we're expecting here over the course of this afternoon. this process could take as short as an hour here. they're already currently i believe on the fourth previous trial determination that they are going through. of course it's the prosecution that first presents why they believe that they should be able to bring up these determinations, one of the prosecutors for the district attorney's office saying, quote, it's hard to think of something more skbarly in the wheelhouse than a finding by a judge of persistent fraud and illegality. just a moment ago, another quote i'll read you, there's a particular need for the people to assess the defendant's credibility and they intend to make witness credibility the centerpiece for the trial, and that is an argument for permitting this evidence here. essentially making the case that, look, the defense wants to call into question the credibility of the witnesses. we should use prior trial determinations by juries and judges to be able

professor and fox news contributor t.h jonathan, we are going to get to this trump push for jud judge marchand recusal -- money case in a moment but regarding this rather crash democrats campaign justice sotomayor, howa great she was whentc she was nominated, watch. >> the depth of justice sotomayor makes her uniquelyd th qualified for the supreme court. her keen understanding of case law and the importance ofqual president. >> chose to sotomayor's immensely qualified appearanceiy because she is qualified and has more judicial experience than any nominee for the past 100 years. >> laura: jonathan, it is only 12 years ago. but they suddenly want to get rid of her. >> it is amazing transformation from the gold standard to junk bon ad status because thats what they are treating her as. this was in trust 2,009, she was celebrated as the wise latina. are treating justices like entirely fungible. they are all just lever throwing liberals on the court.s am obviously, they are more than that. what is amazing about the commentators igives they give no consideration at all that individual justices may h

well , as my colleague already said, the first person to introduce atherosclerosis was felix marchand who, upon opening a large material in the lumen of a vessel, discovered a lipid stain that caused it. the lumen of the vessel and thereby caused myocardial infarction, then they already began to think about how to treat, but in those days they did not know and did not exist, science was not so developed, the first thing that came to mind was bloodletting, that is, when a person blood pressure increased, bloodletting was done, thereby lowering blood pressure and improving the patient’s condition, these were the first ones like this, wait, but he didn’t connect the fact that there was no lumen in... the vessel, that he found a plaque with the fact that the person died, well, from a heart attack, so he didn’t connect, he saw a plaque, saw that blood wasn’t flowing through the vessel, well , okay, well, this, this was the first discovery of atherosclerosis, which began to be mentioned specifically as a diagnosis, not as a cause of death, because it systemic disease, there were several the

. >> state court for lawyers, and with the judge overseeing it, so -- but one thing that judge marchand is doing, which i dig is very smart, he's already indicated that anybody who really doesn't want to serve, who says i can't be fair and 't impartial, he's going to say, there is the door. he's not going to try and -- >> compel. which is a little different than normal. having done jury duty actually in brooklyn, not in manhattan, you know, they don't want to let you go, because a lot of people are like, i got a lot of stuff going on. normally, the general default is that you're being compelled to be there unless you have a very good reason. >> every trial i've ever seen, the judge takes great pains to e keep jurors in their seats. he will sometimes a most cross- examine them and say, you can be fair, right? to stay on the panel. because there's also a domino effect. once a judge has a number of jurors out, other people are raising their hands saying, i don't know if i can be impartial here. certainly in the federal system, judges tend to be fairly strict early on. >> we have jury starc

the judge marchand said that he will decide which questions can be asked on monday. christian served in the manhattan district attorney's office. thank you for being with us. vaughn let's start with this sandoval hearing. donald trump says he will take the stand. it's not given that whatever the da says he wants to ask is going to be asked. so now the d.a. presents the judge with the lines of questioning and the judge determines? >> right. this afternoon the district attorney aoeufs --'s office made the case to the judge. from the carol lawsuit. there was a couple of years ago trump filed a lawsuit against clinton and other defendants where he was fined for a frivolous lawsuit. they want to present to the jury these determinations to question the credibility of donald trump. is the district attorney's office argued today to the judge. they said, they're going to question the credibility from clinton to stormy daniels. we shall question the voracity of statements that donald trump makes. >> can i make one correction. it's not to let the defendant know the line of ques

>> sean we have dual protests going on we have a pro israel marchand and anti- israel march some of thesigns encourage people to be ready for a fights overseeing a much heavier police presence here tonight then we have in the past and you mentioned the violence on college campuses really across the country we saw things ratchet up today and some of the worst scenes were at ember university in atlanta at their police used tear gas and tasers and fired some rubber bullets to remove protesters you can hear some of those protesters scream as they are being carried out and really emory officials were quick to say that these were not students at emory university but instead they were outside agitators they said who had come onto campus to stir up trouble in what emory called criminal behaviour also usc the university of southern california has been forced to cancel its commencement ceremony due to fear of violence and the very same thing could happen here at columbia in just two weeks time back to you. >> sean: steve here again thank you for anything breaks there we will go right to it, sara

if he were to plead guilty, judge marchand would want to sentence him immediately. a situation where he would want to postpone the sentencing until after the election. trump would want this to happen because these are felonies that are punishable not for two or three months but years in jail. >> even if he is going to be found guilty, presumably once he is elected if he does in fact, succeed in his reelection effort. >> if me sticks with the trial, the prospect that he can appeal his sentence would allow him theoretically to be able to stay the verdict and stay the sentencing. if he pleads guilty he loses control of that timing. >> lisa, in terms of the process being the punishment for him. we've both been in court. we've seen the way that he's reacting physically to the strains of these long days in court. what are you expecting? what are you going to be watching for in terms of what it's like in the courtroom for this next week? say this next week or two? what kind of testimony are we going to be looking forward to? is this going to be something that is even more

one of the things i noticed in the opposition of the gag order just a couple of hours before judge marchand issued that gag order, they said all trump was doing here was trying to amplify defense arguments about rochon. so in his post about the daughter last week, they claim that really, what that was about was just trying to help his lawyers communicate to people how necessary recusal was i don't want to rehash exactly what he posted, but that was not the aim but here, what they are trying to do is complete the political and the legal, that it all collapses into one and would the opposition research, and an ordinary medical campaign, sort of migrated into this case and the recusal motion. >> that is the question, there has always been this, there is these two universes, we saw this in the litigation after the election, 2020, which is they can make all the compiled claims they want to and be hosted by republican lawmakers and say all sorts of crazy stuff. as soon as those claims enter a courthouse they got reduced to rubble. what good is it dude for them to be doing this in a court, i guess

and judge juan marchand shot down a motion. the pre-trial publicity in which he was seeking an indefinite adjournment. marshawn points to trump's statements. the situation defendant finds himself in now is not new to him and is in part of his own doing. next week they will conduct a thorough, thoughtful voir dire during jury selection. the case on monday is historic. the first criminal trial of a former president. what trump wants you to believe is that somehow that threatens democracy. it doesn't. what does threaten it is his effort to stoke the flames of chaos. one of his campaign fundraising emails this morning refers to the start of the trial on monday and declares 72 hours until all hell breaks loose. now you'll recall the last time someone in trump's inner circle said all hell would break loose it was steve bannon on the day before the january 6th insurrection. still in the courtroom unlike on capitol hill all hell no not break loose. trump will be required to sit in the courtroom every single day while his lawyers conduc

court proceedings resumed for the week, with judge juan marchand's decision to fine trump $9,000 for nine different truth social posts, violating his gag order. >> the judge warned the former president he could be jailed if it continues. trump is not allowed to publicly comment on witnesses and jurors. >> it's absolutely outrageous the idea that president trump should be sent to rikers over essentially reposting things that other people had already said about how unfair his cases are. >> the jury heard from several witnesses, starting with gary ferro, a banker for trump's former attorney michael cohen, who set up an account and a $130,000 transfer at the center of the trial. ferro says he didn't know what it was for, but stopped doing business with cohen after the stormy daniels hush money story came out. lawyers also questioned an attorney who represented both stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, helping sell mcdougal's affair story about trump to the parent company of the national enquirer. some say they're still waiting to see a smoking gun connecting trump. we still did not get tha

so marchand will have to do something, and it's something he could try and use in his campaign, but thereolution. >> do you think between trump's demeanor inside and outside of the courtroom, is he helping or hurting himself? i guess the question is, there may be two different audiences, the legal audience and then his political audience. >> well, it's -- it's not clear he's hurting himself inside the courtroom other than alienating the judge, because the jurors are not supposed to be watching media or reading magazines or newspapers, so allegedly they have not heard any of this. what he's doing is, alienating the judge, and if you are playing umpire here, umpires can throw players out of the game and here they cannot do that because he has to allow trump to appear for trial, and there are people that have been held in contempt and banned from the courtroom, and it would be tough for that to happen here. >> soccer, there's the possibility of a judge to use a yellow card or a red card, but those are kinds of two different instances that have far different repercussions. >> right, because a

the story is about solene marchand, who is a woman who lives in silver lake. she's a gallery owner., and she unexpectedly meets the lead singer of the biggest boy band in the world, a 24-year-old young man named hayes campbell. >> jimmy: yeah. >> and he thinks she's kind of great. >> jimmy: yeah. >> and so, the story is about how they fall in love. >> jimmy: yeah. because you're just a mom and you're chaperoning this thing and you go to this thing and then you see this boy band -- >> i love hearing you describe my movie. [ laughter ] "you're just a mom who did this thing." >> jimmy: i can do it. yeah, you're a mom in this thing. that's how i describe it. i just, you're a mom, you're chaperoning like a coachella type of thing, like a giant outdoor festival thing. and the biggest boy band in the world, you walk in and the rest is hijinks ensues. who -- remind the actor who plays the lead singer. >> nick galitzine. >> jimmy: oh, man. you guys have great chemistry. >> i mean, thank you. >> jimmy: did you know when he was auditioning, did you go, "oh, this is the guy." >> oh, yeah. >> ji

the judge juan marshawn marchand is already on the been were.ng of the court is going to occur any second now. meanwhile, i want to show you reaction, and new reaction this morning after pro palestinian protesters took over a campus building overnight at columbia university in new york. tensions are high on college campuses across the country, and speaker johnson is expected to announce an investigation into anti-semitism on college campuses that. >> reporter: students entered hamilton hall last night around 12:30 a.m. they used metal gates, furniture and zip ties to barricade and lock themselves inside. since then the university has essentially been on lockdown. this gate here is the only way in and the only way out. no nonstudents or essential faculty can get in. i spoke to several faculty members, because they are not essential they cannot access their own offices. some students agree with the protesters and backed them over the weeks and months as they have led these different actions, and others agreed with them on some of their claims sayi

. >> what would you imagine it's like for judge marchand to see his daughter attacked oliver social media careful not to talk about an active case, but i can tell you what it's like for me. and what it's been like. yesterday was easter. i had to celebrate it without my son. you know. and so i say, you know, i cannot imagine what goes through any parents had when you think that something you did, the job that you chose cost the life of my only child. that's a reality i've got to live with. and you know, i do my best to remember that daniel was so proud of his mom. and i do my best to remember that i am doing my son justice by continuing to advocate for better security. we've made progress, i want to say. it's the last time we've talked to you, 16 states have enacted laws that are shielding more than three pieces of aspects of the personally identifiable information. 19 other states have enacted laws not shielding as much but it is a start. we've got six states with pending legislation. maryland and new york, we are really optimistic about that and we have 13 states and territories that we'

accusing president trump of violating the court's gag order again as we await a decision from george marchand. and it to react to any live updates from the court room. >> sandra: starting outside the court in new york city, air, what do you have? >> hi -- under the -- any moment now for lunch. they have heard this morning from stormy daniels. turns out she wanted twothousand dollars -- $200,000 -- >> sandra: we will start with eric's audio he has good stuff but we will get back with that report. >> john: sounds like a microphone battery we will get back and meantime let's bring in our panel, law attorney and a fox news contributor, we have to add a couple more titles to t that. and former counselor to attorney general bill barr and fox news editor, leo trial is a attorney and fox news contributor. so let's start with you, carrie, you were in the courtroom on tuesday, i believe it was, for the proceedings in person. they are really hammering in here with david pecker who was it who authorized the payment to karen mcdougal? at one point pecker asked michael cohen who will pay me back for the $1

there are motions that are still pending with judge marchand that could delay the trial, once for pretrial publicity, which we have discussed because much of that is of trump's own making but he says the trial should be adjourned on that basis. there is also this pending motion for judge recusal which could also delay the trial . then there are motions to the appellate court which including the one that was argued today. even though a single judge of that court said while you appealed this gag order, i will not grant you an interim stay. you can argue that to a full panel of this court, those briefs are due monday, the same day we are scheduled to start jury selection. he also is continuing to ask for a change of venue so in addition to adjourning the trial because he says he can't get a fair trial here in manhattan, he wants to move it to somewhere else altogether . then i get to the third bucket, which is taking it to new york's highest court, the court of appeals. i am on guard and i think lots of lawyers i know are for trump doing a hail mary to the court. that could mean a feeling tod

it's one of those things that you know it when you see it, and judge marchand has to make a judgmentbring in. >> adam, what would be a win here for the prosecution then? what is trump's team trying to avoid? >> i think trump's team is going to try to avoid getting any of this in. trump has some great attorneys, some of them are very experienced in state court. but i think that for the prosecution's side, this is a long list. they get in half, they'll be very happy. >> yasmin, what else is happening in the courtroom right now? >> reporter: so hearing from one of the attorneys for the people kind of setting up the centerpiece for this case that i want to read for you. there is a particular need for the people to introduce evidence to assess the defendant's credibility, and they intend to make witness credibility the centerpiece for the trial, and that is an argument for permitting the sandoval evidence. one other thing which is just some color from inside the courtroom which is kind of seeing how small this courtroom actually is and how closely everybody will be sitting, especially whe

. >> she made the argument that her theory is that some of this has to do with marchand's awareness that this could get kicked to an appellate court met everything needs to be locked up tight if that is to be the scenario and that is why he is being meticulous and somewhat overly cautious with the gag order. >> certainly that's a consideration. the weight this is being prosecuted is contempt of court. it has the same burden as a regular criminal prosecution beyond a reasonable doubt, right? this is why in the hearing last week he kept asking todd blanche, representing donald trump, because todd lynch was saying all that mr. trump was doing is responding to political attacks and he would say what political techs? name one. he couldn't do it, right? he's building this record. he's building this record. i thought he built that record on tuesday. i'm not really sure why he hasn't ruled yet on that except that potentially when the prosecution came in i guess it was thursday morning with additional violations, maybe thought we will have the hearing before i issue a ruling building up even more

we were discussing after the first gag order hearing why judge marchand might have been holding off issuing an order or finding trump in contempt and i kind of have to wonder, and the is the same thought that has been pervasive throughout trump's inner circle over the weekend is, is judge mershon waiting for the weight of all of trump's infractions, the clear violations of the gag order to step up before he has done a very heavy penalty to show that, look, he had no other choice other than to find a trump in contempt and that will be the thing to watch on thursday. >> we expect to hear more tomorrow from michael collins x banker. how is the prosecution trying to tell the story through him of what happened there, trying to tie that to donald trump's intent? >> i think it will be important for this banker to walk through that yes, as defense said, just making a hush money payment in and of itself is not illegal. but look at the ways that show you that they knew that there was something wrong with this. they used a shell company. they opened up a separate bank account. he had to, michael cohen

the process is the same and judge marchand is experience. he's been picking jurors for years and he's moving along. i think the most important thing he came out of today's jury selection is he's not going to allow social media posts to be used as a litmus test for bias and to get people off the jury. that is why i think the defense is in a much more precarious position going to the second half for more than half the jury has to be picked because they will clearly soon run out of these challenges and be left with jurors that they most fear which are educated, politically democratic jurors that are going to not be able to get kicked off this jury because of their social media posts. they are going with a disadvantage into the second half. >> i think that's really a great characterization because today and yesterday both sides had all of their strikes. these are the strikes the lawyers can use to remove jurors who they just don't like that they have a bad feeling about so long as they don't violate any constitutional protections, race, national

and one of the things that judge points out in his ruling today judge marchand is he points out that trump actually did try to use this immunity claim when he tried to move this case to federal court, that if not attempt, of course failed and the judge points out that given the fact that this request came solely just days as you pointed out, before this case was supposed to go to trial, it really what he says, strains credulity of the chord and the judges, just not buying this. now, one of the things that is still in the offing the trunk the trump team is trying to get the judge to be recused they're also saying that the raising the issue of pretrial publicity and publicity around this trial, of course, as you pointed out the former president's attacks on the judge and attacks on the district attorney. those are the things that are that are creating some at least some of the pretrial publicity, publicity that is surrounding this case. and so one of the things that also stood out to me in this ruling from the judge it's very strange for the former president to be claiming immunity for

how does judge merchan handle that well look, judge marchand doesn't have all that many things at hisposal tools at his disposal, if you will, he could sanction them he could admonish him. >> he gets find them. he can make things tough on his lawyers. i don't think it'll jail them and i don't think it'll jail someone who was running for president united states. i don't believe that's something he will do but that's only possible to turn for someone like donald trump and your point, it's probably not going to happen no, i agree. >> i don't think it's going to happen and i think he's going to continue time and time again to go out and, you know, in the political contexts, go out there and talk about this case and talk about how bad how skewed the jury may be, because you're in new york city, it's largely democratic area. but again, i think he does have a pretty good jury there as it relates to like, background experience, those types of things. i think he's gonna get a fair shake from this jury. >> yeah. i mean, they they certainly seem to allow in some people, you might think might be

so it'll be interesting to see what happens thursday morning, but i don't think judge marchand will be pushed to the wall on this interesting on trump's remarks after the trial today, i want to play a brief extra of what he said. listen to this order is not only munich, it's totally constitution totally unconstitutionally says, how do you respond to that? >> well first of all even the even a gag order that is unlawful is not to be contested by violating it you can appeal it. you can do all kinds of things which the defense attorneys already have. and the gag order has been upheld not only that, i'm confident that it would be upheld in the future, it's really quite limited as you can see, mr. trump is able to carry on about all kinds of things about the case about the gag order, about the judge, and all of that. and that's well within his rights. so his complaint about it that's what he's allowed to say. but he's not violating the gag order by saying it as i noted, your a former new york state supreme court justice, who knows judge merchan, take us inside a bit. >> justice, how we balan

can i think it's understandable, judge marchand is a very serious judge and he wants to have a trial that's a serious trial and not a circus, not going after witnesses or family in a way that can interfere with the trial >> so temidayo, this is what judge merchant rights. he says. it is no longer just a mere possibility or a reasonable likelihood that there exists a threat to the integrity of the judicial proceedings the threat is very real admonitions are not enough nor is reliance on self restraint. it seems to go directly at the trump lawyers argument that this was sort of your pre gagging trump before he's ever had to do anything. well, he did something this weekend and the judges sorts of suggesting that there would need to be some kind of punishment. >> yeah. i think he's preparing for what's coming down the road. i think it's porn to zoom out and just realize that what the former president is doing here is preposterous. and i was a former prosecutor and he's out on pretrial release, meaning otherwise he would be detained. but he's out if he abides by the law and the conditions

, and just to give a sense where there's judge marchand and then, you know, ten or 15 feet away as trump. >> i mean, it's a very intimate setting. >> and so he rules on a few things and asieh few questions they're making arguments on some upcoming issues. >> the gag order, though, when that ruling came down and he literally it's very surgical and the sense okay. on, you know, number three and four, i'm finding you 1,000 each and four through 10,000 each. the not on one and it just was it just was very quick and very professional and not a reaction from trump at all. and now those truth social posts that were subject to the gag order had been already removed during the lunch break by trump's team so you know how he feels about the gag order. we all know he's livid, he's angry, but he did control himself in that room. i mean, there wasn't even a blink from anybody just happened. okay. $9,000. move on. >> i think to a certain extent, he realizes he's winning right now. i mean, when you look at all the poles that are coming out, despite the fact that we've done this now for three weeks, dona