marcia angell, a physician herself, is senior lecturer in the department of social medicine at harvard university medical school and was the first woman editor-in-chief of the new england journal of medicine. she, too, has written widely and often about health care reform. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> moyers: so, trudy lieberman, is it waterloo or no waterloo, is that the question? >> waterloo for who? whether it's a waterloo for the american people, who aren't going to or may not get a resolution of this, and they certainly do need some help along the way with health care. or is it, say, a political question for the president? >> moyers: well, the republicans have made it this week, clearly and sharply, a political challenge to him. >> i think it's going to be interesting to see what happens. a lot of people have said this is a do or die issue for the president. that's certainly... that rhetoric certainly hadn't been coming up really before the last several weeks. >> and i would say, on the politics first, that it is something of a waterloo. in the sense that

moyers: it says "marcia angell, you've got to." >> for whaver price they want to charge. rit. and so, this will inease costs. and let me tell you what hs nning into, and he'd like to be able to pull a rabbitut of thhat, but he won't be able to. if you leave this profit- oriented system in pce, you can'both control costs and increase coverage. u inevitably, if you try to increase coverage, incase costs. the only answer,he only answer, d he said it at the beginning of his press conferenceis a single payer system. in his fir sentence, he said, that is the only wayo cover eryone. moyers: but he's also said, if we were staing the system from scrch, we could have single payer. but we're not stting this system froscratch. >> you know, you don't pr more money into a faili system. you coert. >> moyer i saw back in the spng... the chief lobbyist for the big phar industry, billy tauzin, us to be a member of congress. he was on c.n.b.c. and he was isupport of this billwhatever this bill is. beuse it would broaden the industry's ctomer base by providing subsidies for pele to buy... >> ectl

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