simpson got off, he got off for two reasons, number 1 to indict the lapd and number 2 because marcia clark and two people we don't talk about enough did a her windows job there is no way around it after all of these years later 1995 an hour talking about it nearly 30 years later let us not forget you don't ask this man months later to try on a glove, he doesn't take his medication his hands and fingers well, it wasn't going to fit they knew it and ultimately it was depicted in a series of if i remember correctly where johnny cochran had coached christopher to go against the wishes of marcia clark and convinced him to force oj to try to try on the glove once folk saw that it wasn't going to fit he was exactly the nugget he needed to openly say if it doesn't fit you must acquit and get o.j. simpson off of double murder, he is a double murderer in the eyes of most people in this country, white black latino african-american everything else but it was more important to folks at the time to indict the lapd in china spotlight on what they were doing to african-americans in the city of los angeles

and number two, because marcia clark and christopher dardene m, two people we don't talk about enough, did an absolutely horrendous job theretbout e wasy around it all of these years later, 1995. yearter 1995k nearly 30 years later, let us not forget. you don't ask this man months later to try on a glove. he doesn't take his medication. his hands and fingers swell. met going to fit. and they kind of knew it. and ultimately, it was depictedo in series, if i remember correctly, where johnnie cochran had coache d christopher darden to go against the wishes of marcia clark and himmarcia to force o.j. to try and try on the glove. to force o folks saw that it wat going to fit. it was exactly the nugget that he neededtly to ultimateli say, if it doesn't fit, you must acquit and ultimately get o.j. doesn't simpson off ofe murder. he's a double murder in the eyese . eopl most people in this country, white, black, latino, african american, everything else. but it was more important to folks at the time to indictte the lapd and to shinepd a spotlight on what they were doing to african-americans

. >> ladies and gentlemen of the jury >> the prosecution led by marcia clark and chris darden, linedtnesses like cato hey, lynn a longtime house guest of simpson kaitlyn who became a household name, testified he saw oj simpson on his property the night of the murders and contradicted some of simpson's versions of events. >> i heard a thumping noise how many sons did you hear? objection >> yes, three no brown simpson sister denise took the stand telling jurors how simpson abused nicole >> pictures of her bruised face shown in court. >> it was more of a of like a glazed over kind of frightening, dark it just didn't look like boj that we knew lead prosecutor marcia clark introduce dna evidence from blood samples collected by detective marked fuhrman others that pointed directly at simpson but it was a cross-examination of that evidence and fermin by simpson's so-called legal dream team. including johnnie cochran and barry scheck that poked holes in the prosecution's case scheck question and lapd criminologist who conceded there were procedural errors and how the blood samples were colle

she talked to some of the key players involved, like prosecutor marcia clark. >> to my great regret, my shoulders. more and more, i was being pushed out to talk to the press. i was running literally 24/7. believe me, i hate the memory of that. >> juju: and kato kaelin, the famous simpson house guest. >> how did people treat you after the trial? >> spit at me. having actual hate. so many times i've gotten messages of, "you should have been the guy that was murdered." >> juju: she explored what grief looks like decades after violent crime. >> those of us that are living it, we have to figure out a way to make room for all of that throughout the day, whether it's grief or the loss from it, the anger from it, the emotion that comes with it. >> juju: kim said her wig brother was her protector. >> my dad raised us from when we were 3 1/2 and 6. he was a single dad. we could rely on each other. >> every picture of them in my mind is the two of them together, holding hands, together in some format. that was who they were. it never changed. judge nicole brown's family in an interview with dia

marcia clark, christopher darden, compared to what was described as the dream team, defense council led by of course, johnnie cochran on behalf of oj simpson. were you looking and evaluating their performances? >> i'm sure i was i don't think they measured up. i think especially christopher darden he probably wasn't the right guy for the for that ty he seemed >> i want to say at times very nervous not confident, unsure of themselves when he asked odata try on the glove, i looked at at him like he was crazy like, why would you have them do that? but he did it anyway >> that was crazy. i think just saying to me, why did you think that was a crazy moment >> because he didn't need to have them try and the glove. >> we looked at the glove, >> we can see the glove and it was a big glove and we assume that it would fit so when you had them try it, when he had them try it on and it appeared to be tight or too tight it was just something that that backfired. it was something that he did not need to do >> we >> could you know, again, we can look at the glove we saw was a big glove and we would ha

i don't know if a lot of people remember, but there was marcia clark and i don't remember the older district attorneys name, but he was caucasian and he had a heart attack. and the da's office said, well, we need to bring someone else side and they brought christopher darden who happens to gridlock and black? yeah. and i thought wait a minute, christopher. if i remember correctly and never tried a murder case before. so they were bringing him on for obvious reasons. and i'm sure that put down potential jurors saw right through that. and then you got to the trial. what remember, judge ito lands? you know, he really didn't control that trial very well. and you've got always high powered attorneys on the other side led by johnnie cochran. now, tell your story a member of the glove don't fit. got much to quit. the people that were involved in the trial told me the way that went down. ashley bailey came up to darden city. chris. you know, we've got his glove just given a heads up, we're going to o j tried it on. now. if you want go ahead. and when i heard that, i thought all. do not agree to that

in the next days when he got arrested, and so, and then i do the podcast with kato kaelin and marcia clark, she had a show on abc, a primetime drama, and it was basically based on the oj simpson, but it was fictional, and i played a tv reporter in that series for the by having these bizarre connections with oj and just like everybody else, here in america, i got swept up else, here in america, i got swept up in it because i work in the media, it was mesmerising and recovered it every single day, during the bronco chase and everything, so it is a crazy day. it is weather surreal in america. tom, thank ou is weather surreal in america. tom, thank you for— is weather surreal in america. tom, thank you for talking _ is weather surreal in america. tom, thank you for talking us _ is weather surreal in america. tom, thank you for talking us through - thank you for talking us through that, that is tom zenner there. going to focus now on that trial we just were referring to. joining me is trial attorney and cornell law school professor randy zelin. thank you very much for coming on the programme. t

made peace with god or nono >> jesse: what was it like being in a courtroom with johnny cochran, marcia clark accused of double murder sitting right across from you? while you're next to the judge under oath? >> you know jesse, it's -- i'm from wisconsin, growing up again to california to become an ac actor. as star. of never been in a courtroom i entire life, not even a parking ticket, no first time i'm in a courtroom is for a double homicide of a man that i'm living at his property and a friend of mine nicole, i didn't know ron but i knew kim and another that he's a wonderful person. that's what it was like. to testified -- to testify. to explain was that when you show, many times i was on the stand i went through reviews with the defense and the prosecution, and sometimes i had a deer in the headlight look that was printed in so many different magazines and papers. it's because i want to be so truthful and is trying to think of making surer member the question in the review. that is because of my experience of being a witness. >> jesse: you see a lot of stories now part of the criminal jus

and the neighbour kalin who lived in the guest house at o'jays property marcia clark who tried to bring a guilty verdict for the state in this case as everybody watched it, grade much every day and every night when you got home in the evening in 1995. then, the buildup. when the verdict came in pack everything in america stopped as everybody watched to find out what would happen to oj. >> we the jury find the defendant not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal code 187 a. >> look at the shop on robert kardashian's faced in that image. it's 1 of the most indelible images of all of this, and no 1 ever went to jail. for what happened to nicole simpson and ron goldman. o.j. simpson was later found guilty in a civil decision, and was supposed to be $33.5 million to the brown family. attorney lee otero covered the trial closely almost 30 years ago. he knew the family, a new oj. goes back and tells us what he knows about that time in a moment. first, a senior national correspondent takes us all back to the story that riveted the nation. hello william. >> it's an amazing rate? abo

simpson suffered with her famous husband after darden described the years of abuse, it was up to marcia clark to deal with the day of the murders. she traced a trail of blood from the crime scene to simpson's ford bronco to his very bedroom, and a blood stained pair of socks, blood on one spot matched the defendant. >> the blood on another spot matched nicole. >> the defense will finally get a chance for their opening statements in the morning. judge ito must still decide whether we'll be able to broadcast those remarks or dan recalls the media circus and how the trial changed modern news coverage. this was about ten years after cable news began, and so you had the cable news networks going wall to wall with this. this was being covered by all of the regular networks abc, nbc, cbs, all during the day. this trial was live, and so when you're when i arrived there, at first it was just this media city, satellite trucks for blocks and that sort of thing. and, and really reporters from all over the world. i mean, it was just an all encompassing, all engrossing job. i mean, working from early morni

marcia clark became famous. >> johnnie cochran, these all became household names.s where we could be inside the room. that was the first time. anything like that. really happened before. >> absolutely. a lot of you know, were as a result of this you know, you mentioned some there, even, you know, witnesses like a tokyo and others became famous and it was a, you know, an opportunity to kind of break down that wall. lot of famous people were able to to hide a lot of their personal lives. but with this trial, obviously oj was not. and so was a big peek behind the curtain to james personal life differed greatly from the public persona he had created. >> would you agree that he's a monumental figure in american history and american culture and how do you think he'll be remembered for us? we watched all this happened on television, but there's a whole generation of people that don't even know who he is. how do you think he'll be remembered? >> think, you know, the doj simpson story is kind you know, 3 the first act. is this a talented athlete who makes it into films and

defense lawyer johnnie cochran, prosecutor marsha marcia clark, judge lance ito became famous, even fringein are despite if substantial the evidence that the one-time football player had stabbed nicole and ron, the jury acquitted simpson, and this was a racial uproar. >> not guilty of the crime of murder -- [cheers and applause] in violation of -- [inaudible] section 187a -- >> the jury has spoken. obviously, you're very happy. >> i'm very happy for his family, for his children. i think justice was served. [inaudible conversations] howard: the first interview went to bet's ed gordon. >> i think the media is the main reason why america is feeling the way they're feeling. they were lied to. howard: all the media's fault. kevin corke, how did you feel at the time that o.j. was acquitted by black jurors through what's called jury nullification? he's one of us, he beat the system. we're going to cheer. most whites were angry because a double murderer had been turned loose. >> i don't think this was really about o.j. at the time. it was really about the lapd. people forget that. the whole rodney

what was it like being int that courtroom with johnnie cochra n, marcia clark, o.j. simpson accused of double murder, sitting right across from you? well, you're next to judge itorx under oath, right? you know, jesse, it's i'm from wisconsin. and growing up, i cames --to cal to california to become an actor and a starife . n in but i've never been in aro courtroom my entire life, not evenom a parking ticket.n and the first time i'm in a courtroom is for a double homicide tim of a man who i'mf living on his property and a friend of mine, nicolethat, i didn't know ron, but i knew, you know, through the years, kim an butd i know that he'sa wr a wonderful person. so that i mean, that's what it was like. and to testify. yeah. and you know what jesse did to explain mysel. thaf on youras show many times that i was on the stand, i went through reviews with the defense and also the prosecution. and sometime thes i had that deer in the headlights look that was printed in so many different that prints and papers. it's because i wanted to be so truthful. and i was tryingt to to

it was well, as marcia clark said, it was a trail of blood right from the crime scene to oj simpson car to oj simpson's the state right into his bedroom and to his socks a blood found on his socks, but the credibility of the police department was at stake because the key detective collecting all that evidence was a man who had used the n word, something like 41 times, and that was caught on tape and he lied about it. so the lesson to police departments today still resonates. you can have all the greatest forensics you want. but if your credibility is shocked and the people don't trust you, then forget about it. it doesn't matter. and that's something that i think still is a lesson for law enforcement across the country today. the other thing is, there was tons of dna evidence and i remember i was a local news anchor, a working out of paramount studios and anchoring as hours and hours of this dna evidence came in. a lot of it very complicated people were not that familiar with dna the way they are today. so the prosecution thought they had an overwhelming my case because of the overwhelm

proof beyond a reasonable doubt, what an extraordinary time it was names like johnnie cochran and marcia clark and christopher darden and f lee bailey and alan dershowitz and lance ido, just to name a few that became part of our every conversation and knowns the american people. and what was also known as this case was viewed through a particularized lens it had people talking about race in this country. he had people talking about wealth in this country as part of a two tier justice system that we ability to afford counsel of the stature of the oj simpson did the idea that over the course of american history, when the race of the victims is different from the race of the defendant, that the result of the jury's verdict oftentimes did not interfere to the benefit of the defendant. in this instance, the defendant the black man, having been convicted or acquitted of murdering two white victims, was one that was discussed in terms of race in our justice system. in terms of what this meant when the long run, and it was many a subversion of how people viewed the justice system this case is somethin

. >> reporter: marcia clark resigned from the district attorney's office after the trial.an author of crime novels. >> to say i'm at peace? no. >> reporter: christopher darden resigned from his position, but continued working in law and becoming a defense attorney in private practice. >> are you glad you served? >> no, it changed my life and it changed me. >> if it doesn't fit. >> reporter: johnnie cochran remembered for the lyrical law firm. cochran passed away from a brain tumor in 2002. >> think of the real o.j. >> reporter: robert kardashian was part of the dream team. he died of cancer in 2003. his children went on to become stars in their reality tv show. kim kardashian telling david letterman about the life. >> it tore our family apart for the trial. >> reporter: overseeing proceedings. >> in the simpson matter. >> reporter: judge lance ito continued on the bench. he retired in 2015. the most famous house guest. kato kaelin has played bit parts in movies and tv shows. would you believe next year would have been 30 years since the trial? for all of these people, it w

. >> reporter: on the opposite side, the prosecution with marcia clark, christopher darden. the legal blunder of the century. prosecutors asking simpson to try on the blood stained gloves found at the crime to prove he did it. simpson appearing to strug toll get them on leading to one of the most famous lines ever spoken in a criminal trial. >> if it doesn't fit you must acquit. >> reporter: when the jury's verdict was announced 150 million tuned in. >> we, the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant not guilty of the crime of murder. >> reporter: oprah watching with her show's live audience. the reaction split just as it was nationwide. large numbers of blacks celebrating what some saw as long awaited judicial vindication. many whites seeing a travesty of a killer going free. 76-year-old o.j. simpson did eventually serve nine years in prison for his role in a las vegas armed robbery involving his sports memorabilia. he was released seven years ago. george? >> george: deb, thanks. let's bring in our chief legal analyst dan abrams. and our abc news live contribut

beautiful nicole, that he had them in their thoughts and prayers along with oj simpson's children, marcia clarkcutor, also acknowledging the simpson family throughout this and the victim's family. caitlyn jenner, who was friends with o.j, married to kris jenner . they vacationed kris jenner. they vacationed together, tweeting good riddance and controversial tv personality marc lamont hill . he tweeted marc lamont hill. he tweeted something, i mean, very controversial , he said. oj controversial, he said. oj simpson was an abusive liar who abandoned his community long before he killed two people in cold blood. but he says his acquittal for murder was the correct and necessary result of a racial, criminal, legal system. he's still a monster, not a martyr . system. he's still a monster, not a martyr. so a lot of a variety of reaction here in the united states after the death of oj simpson. >> i mean, that's the bottom line, isn't it, with all of this, i mean, obviously he was found liable in a in a civil trial afterwards which, which obviously cost him his fortune. but the bottom line is he was ac