marcia coyle of the national law journal was there and joins me now. marcia, this was quite a case, quite an interesting set of q&a arguments before the jung. this is an inmate with some legal heavyweights on his side. >> he does. he has one of the foremost religious scholars in the country representing him in the arguments today. this law, it's important to note, it really erects a very high hurdle for the government, any government body, here a prison system, before it can burden somebody's religious expression. it says the government body has to have a compelling interest, has to choose the least restrictive means to further that interest. but it also says, congress said in the law, you have to give due defendant represents to the experience and expertise of prison officials. it didn't say how much deference. those two commands are in tension, and that tension played out during the argument. >> woodruff: that's what arkansas was arguing here. >> mr. holt's lawyer argued that arkansas is looking for absolute deference to their judgment that the no-bea