>> marco rubio is interesting. he was in the state limationture he oversaw a huge expansion of private prisons in florida. many financial ties. one of the things that reporters for my story for the nation was looking at some of these financial disclosures and showing that marco rubio's chief of staff whose reportedly the person who has--the architect of rubio's positioning on reform, he still has--he's still he receiving financial payments from a lobbying firm that the main lobbying firm for the group. >> michael: that's amazing. >> which is probably another story in and of itself. >> michael: you have to write that one now too. it's a whole tale. >> yes, the whole problem of congressional staffers maintaining financial ties to outside special interest groups, but in this case with private prisons they could win or lose, so to speak hundreds of millions of dollars. this conflict is particularly important. >> michael: what happens to them if they lose? what happens if immigration reform happens. >> if you're an inve

then talk to me about whether it can pass, and that's the pressure we're seeing put on marco rubio. inchpin. if rubio backs immigration reform, i think we collectively think it happens. >> absolutely. >> if he backs out, it's done. >> absolutely. i think if he backs out, if he's not up there as one of the faces, i think it is over. >> and speaking of rubio, obviously, he's going to run in 2016, and hillary clinton probably is going to run. >> probably. >> and is very worried about a marco rubio, young, obviously new face for the republican party. in a meeting last week, you were saying you've now come full circle to thinking that hillary clinton is going to run. you were skeptical before, why? >> i was skeptical because of her health, because i didn't think she wanted to do this again, because i think this is a scary movie we've seen before, and that's the case with marco rubio, right? as you said, young, fresh face. i now think if those signs, her health is good and the economy is good -- that's very important -- i think signs point to her running. she's immersing herself in foundat

you see someone like marco rubio juxtaposed immediately with someone like rand paul. these are both people who people expect will at least entertain a run in 2016. with rubio, you didn't hear anything on immigration which is something he's been pushing through congress, but it's not necessarily something that will play well here in front of a conservative audience. but that tells you why marco rubio is someone so key on immigration because he can actually -- he's well trusted with this group, though. he didn't bring it up today. rand paul on the other hand, sticking to his libertarian philosophy and really got very tepid applause on most things that he talked about on drones. much better received on spending, however. >> domenico, thank you for swrining swrin i joining us. mns m msnbc political analyst, david corn. and joy reid, managing editor of the grio.com. david, between allen west saying there's nothing so fearful to progressives on this green earth than a black american who wants a better life, and rand paul describing certain members of the republican party as

among them, marco rubio, mitch mcconnell. code pink. the tea party-backed group freedom works.ur own chuck todd tweeted -- best illustrated by a democrat who has raised similar concerns about the drone program. he joined rand paul. >> i think senator paul and i agree that this nomination, also provides a very important opportunity for the united states senate to consider the government's rules and policies on the targeted killings of americans. the executive branch should not be allowed to conduct such a serious and far-reaching program by themselves without any scrutiny, because that's not how american democracy works. >> the issue was reignited this week when attorney general eric holder ruled out the possibility of drone strikes on americans. he testified before the senate judiciary committee. >> does the constitution allow a u.s. citizen on u.s. soil who doesn't pose an imminent threat to be killed by the u.s. government? >> i do not believe that -- again, you have to look at all of the facts. the facts that you have given me, i would not think in that situation a use of th

between marco rubio and rand paul. am i over evaluating? >> certainly rand paul has been in the spotlight a lot. he ended up getting the cpac straw poll. don't put a lot of stock in that but he still won it. he had his big filibuster a few weeks ago. >> right. >> then this big immigration speech. you are right. you are seeing this kind of dynamic between rand paul and marco rubio. both guys ended up winning in 2010. both under the tea party banner. both very young people, relatively. and people we're watching for 2016. >> i think marco rubio at least doesn't want a lot of space voting wise between where he is and where rand paul is going forward. >> but one thing rand paul has done is by supporting comprehensive immigration reform one way or the other he is wearing other tea party folks with him. >> that's powerful. >> it makes it very likely for passage. >> let's talk about iowa. rand paul was announced this week, may 10th. my wedding anniversary. i don't think that' why he did it. may 10th rand paul is going to speak

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did you write that down when marco rubio said that?> i thought we were living in mau mau revolutionary kenya. it is a sign of desperation you can't put forth a single iota, a shred of policy, a shred of thinking that is somewhat different and instead have to rely on the place. the place is -- the place is the identifier and that's all that they have. i mean, i actually -- i guess ana marie is there and says there is new blood in the conservative movement. it would be awesome to see that. right now, all i can think of when i see that rand pauls and marco rubios and the rick perrys and mitt romneys where evil guys converge and concoct their plot for the next episode or whatever it is. and they get defeated every single time. but they keep going back up into that mountain, and looking down on the earth below and sort of rubbing their hands together. they are not going to win with that conclave. pardon the use of the word this week. but that group of tired, old guys pushing the same old rhetoric. >> and i love the -- rubio offered an inter

. >> y queremos decirle a marco rubio que diga que si a la ciudadanía. >> manteniendo a las familiasenzó la caravana. >> hemos estado movilizando a la comunidad a los dreamers, para que se unan al esfurezo, necesitamos un nuevo sistema de inmigración. >> cientos de manifestante le hacen el llamado a marcos rubios para que le den la legalidad la marcha termina en el festival de la calle 8 en miami. >> caravanas como esta se movilizan en distintos estados, recolectan 1100 votos. >> como vemos sonmas las ciudades que organizan marchas a favor de la reforma migratoria, los participantes de sta marcha pedian una moratoria a las deportaciones que dividen a las familias. >> y jeff bush suena de los candidatos republicanos, sus declaraciones con el programa al punto avivan el debate. >> el ex gobernador de la florida dice que a la mayoría de las personas que tiene requisitos no le interesa tener el trabajo permanente. >> 60% de las personas estaban satisfechos vivir en las sombras. >> así les permiten vivir y trabajar pero sin derecho a la ciudadanía, dicen que no es falta de voluntad pero o

because sarah is right, they have marco rubio.k of marco rubio and ted cruz, they're big national figures. >> it's a challenge any time you have both, you know, the cycle where you have, you know, senior centers retiring. i think it a lot depends on the new blood. this is a challenge that every party goes through. you have to bring in new, fresh faces. >> right. >> joe manchin, my old boss, a very strong new voice. i think you have senator, up for re-election but a very powerful new voice. warner, not necessarily new, he's been there for a little bit. >> michael bennet. >> elizabeth warren was -- >> let's go back. i want to circle back because number seven on our list was ted cruz. i called it the ted cruz experience. let's play a little something that ted cruz had to say at the conservative political action conference. >> we did have a certain of the republican party described rand paul and me as whacko birds. if standing for liberty and standing for the constitution then count me a proud whack-a bird. >> sarah, he was talking ab

marco rubio and others have said there's a lot of work to be done. i think that's right. the rest of the language is not there, but i think this is one step i think gets people past a big obstacle. >> speaking of rubio,.gop is saying wait a minute, slow down. the dems are saying, no, hurry up, get this done. as you know, the bipartisan gang of 8 as they're called are going to officially introduce this bill the week of april a8th, so once it gets to the desks of the lawmakers, what do you expect to >> i think there will be a much longer process. i mean, the statement that marco rubio put out yesterday afternoon suggested that he wanted input from the other 92 senators. this gang of 8 has p been working on it from seven states and he wants input from the other senators who represent the rest of the country and to make sure that their voices are heard. he wants a series of hearings, to have this be an open and big and public debate. democrats on the other hand are looking to sort of rush this through to push this forward i think before any real opposition can mount, or surfa

marco rubio. tim scott.ed pat to me.ed supported niki haley.his last election cycle there were three republicans who won the new seats. she supported all three of us. [applause] me tell you something, i would not be in the u.s. senate today if it were not for governor sarah palin. [applause] she is fearless, she is led, she is courageous, and she is a mama grizzly. i give you sarah palin. ♪ [applause] >> thank you so much. thank you. the senator is a keynote speaker and he would lower himself to doing introductions for a hockey mom. i am so honored. thank you. we need more americans like ted cruz. coming from texas, ted cruz comes to town, chews barbed wire, and spits out rust. that is what we need. i was just thinking how much i like texans. they do not mess around with our second amendment rights. stuff coming lately from the white house to take away the good guy's freedom and the right to protect ourselves with the most naive notion that the bad guys, who ignore the laws, will all the sudden followed new laws. it is not about the bad guys. i

senator marco rubio. let's listen in. >> america's changed and our people have changed that we reach this point in time and we have too many people in america that want too much from government and that maybe the changes that have happened are irreversible and it will never be the same again. i want you to understand that's not true. our people have not changed. the vast majority of the american people are hard working taxpayers who take responsibility for their families, go to work every day, they pay their mortgage on time, they volunteer in the community, this is what the vast majority of the american people still are. what's changed is the world around us. it's changed in dramatic ways. skrus think how much the world has changed in the last ten years. the global economy is real. we don't live in a national economy anymore. everything you buy, everything you sell, everything you touch, it's all impacted by things that are happening halfway around the world. the information age is real that's made our l

he's trying to kind of play off of marco rubio to a certain extent.arger problem for him, of course, is the larger problem for the republican party. there's an argument there whether their issue is really marketing or substance. so ask yourself, does jeb bush help them with marketing or with substance? as a marketing ploy, i think bush 3.0 is a mistake. i don't think it says moving into the future. substantively, well, the jury is still a little out there. he seems uncertain on immigration, which is a low-hanging fruit issue, frankly, for the republicans. let's see how he does on income inequality or marriage equality and things like that. >> michael, on this issue of immigration and his position, in recent interviews jeb bush seems to walk back a bit his recent opposition to granting a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. take a look at what he told chuck todd on that issue. >> -- because in november, i think prior to the election we weren't even in the game. >> so you think it's possible that the path to citizenship may be included in the eve

this is a marco rubio is a guy who within the white house, they are obsessed with marco rubio's moves for the very fact that he's viewed as a very credible messenger for republicans on immigration, democrats fear him. republicans know that he's very good at talking about this issue and the fact that he didn't bring it up in that forum just as michael steele said, it could have, it was a missed opportunity. >> especially since the cpac, the cpac audience is a mixed bag. he's not talking to the house raucous caucus of republicans. as the chairman points out, it is a way to try and at least get the troops on board. >> what's discouraging about it is he's trying to do two things right now. one he's running for president. and the second, he's trying to legislate. and the cpac is all about running for president. but it is not an encouraging sign that he doesn't view his immigration strategy, at least as somewhat tethered to his presidential hopes. because you would think that just playing the long game, that you need to prime the base for the fact that you're going to be out there pushing,

>> gretchen: marc >> marco rubio talks in a way connects to every american. one of the biggest mistakes this election was the whole 47% comment. rubio brings the messal of hopion growth and opportunity to every american in a way that he really connects with them in a major on a level that not any republican has done since probably regan. >> judge jeanine: interesting to see, guys what happens. ryan and tony thanks for being with us. >> great to see you. >> thanks for having us jeanne coming up, jodi arias finally off the stand. did she do enough to save her life? later, the golf ball, not the golfer is supposed to end up in the hole. [ male announcer] surprise -- you're having triplets. [ babies crying ] surprise -- your house was built on an ancient burial ground. [ ghosts moaning ] surprise -- your car needs a new transmission. [ coyote howls ] how about no more surprises? now you can get all the online trading tools you need without any surprise fees. ♪ it's not rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. judge jeanine. ♪ >>> no blood when

neither is marco rubio. my interview with the republican senator is next.gration, foreign policy, and jams in the politics lead. ♪ wireless is limitless. [ female announcer ] from finding the best way... ♪ to finding the best catch... ♪ wireless is limitless. ♪ ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. >>> the politics lead. republican leaders in congress looking for momentum on immigration reform got a boost from senator and tea party fave rand paul. paul spoke this morning at the u.s. hispanic chamber of commerce setting a tone that reminded some of president george w. bush. >> i think the conversation needs to start by acknowledging that we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants. if you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in america then we will find a place for you. >> joining us right now for reaction to this and other news of the day of course is senator marco rubio, republican of florida. senator, thanks for joining us. what is your reaction to rand p

florida as marco rubio and kentucky's rand paul. ew york times" reported just today, for better or words they have come to represent this moment's forth in the republican road. mr. rubio, who decided the republican establishment in 2010 with his brash primary challenge to governor charlie crist's senate run looks like the establishment's man for now. mr. paul, as he try toss expand his appeal beyond the libertarian base of his father, ron paul, has become the face of radically smaller government. both rubio and paul came to washington with solid tea party credentials, but represent very different wings. one of them might just end up being the republican nominee. chip saltzmann ran mike huckabee's campaign, and willie brown, of course, the -- chip, you're the republican. i think it comes down to juice, that sense of life, of protoplasm, of excitement, of -- it has many different meanings, but charisma, excitement. do these two guys represent the exciting candidates in your party? >> well, they do today. we always talk about does a can

>> gretchen: marc >> marco rubio talks in a way connects to every american.ne of the biggest mistakes this election was the whole 47% comment. rubio brings the messal of hopion growth and opportunity to every american in a way that he really connects with them in a major on a level that not any republican has done since probably regan. >> judge jeanine: interesting to see, guys what happens. ryan and tony thanks for being with us. >> great to see you. >> thanks for having us jeanne coming up, jodi arias finally off the stand. did she do enough to save her life? later, the golf ball, not the golfer is supposed to end up in the hole. [ female announcer ] start simple. ♪ start right. ♪ kellogg's simple grains cereals take you from seed... ♪ ...to spoon. with jt a few ingredients. ♪ kellogg's raisin bran, corn flakes and rice krispies. simple wholesome goodness. start simple. start right. simple wholesome goodness. dad: you excited for youyeah.st day? ♪ dad: you'll be fine, ok? girl: ok. dad: you look so pretty. ♪ i'm overprotective. that's why i got a subaru. lo

our pledge to you, whether it is marco rubio or rand paul or from thein or ted cruz great state of texas. we will not block their conservative message. we will be their platform for the message. [applause] so if you would, in conclusion, begin lobbying today for oneamerica so the conservative message will continue to resonate tomorrow. at glimmer just might return to that shining city on the hill. god bless you and thank you. [applause]

a split between rand paul and marco rubio. e was criticized for offering a lot of new ideas. rand paul said the g.o.p. is getting moss covered and needs to embrace more libertarian social some economic policy. a difference in prepare. m-rubio, very popular, charismatic, latino, is pushing immigration reform. he didn't talk about that. instead he talked about core social conservative issues-such as support of marriage between a man and a woman and opposition to abortion rights. listen. >> just because i believe that states should have the right to define marriage in a traditional way does not make me a big got. just because -- [applause] >> just because we believe that life, all life, all human life, is worthy of protection at every stage of its development does not make you a -- [applause] >> marco rubio, very cautious about not saying he is running for president but looks like it. texas governor rick perry didn't win the nomination and has not ruled out the possible he may look for a run again in 2016. over the next two and a

u have speakers like marco rubio and ron paul. they have vastly different. i was wondering your thoughts on that too. >> first of all, this problem that the party of this is old white men our average age was about 15 years younger than at the democratic convention. [applause] i maybe exaggerating slightly but not by much. i get the feeling that republicans want to take us back, i look at the democratic national convention, it is jimmy carter, teddy kennedy. who is trying to bring you back here? as for the groups republicans don't do well with, i think -- well, we're doing well, with white women, with married women, single married. mitt romney did better with receiver single demographic than john mccain. more of them voted for mitt romney than voted for mccain. the only two groups that voted more for mccain than romney were asians and hispanics, the two largest immigrant groups this country has been taken in for the last 30 years. teddy kennedy specifically designed his immigration act of 1965 to change america temperature graphically without checking with th

five of its men, ted cruz, rand paul, mike lee, marco rubio and jim inhofe just married wayne lapierre. in sickness and in health, until death do us part. not even that. these five buckaroos won't let the senate vote on a gun safety measures, not even one dealing with better background checks. the hardliners calls it surveillance and want none of it. this is one area where they believe in the right of privacy, darn it, believe in the government's right to know what's going on inside a woman's body, of course, but don't ask if some gun buyer is a nut, a criminal or wife beater. that's his affair and don't forget it. ron reagan, radio talk show host. nia malika henderson for the "washington post." the president made clear many reasons gun control legislation deserved a vote, a vote, not even a vote, just a vote. >> deserves a vote. >> gabby giffords deserves a vote. the family of newtown deserve a vote. the families of aurora deserve a vote. the families of oak creek and tucson and blacksburg and the countless other communities ripped open by gun violence, they deserve a simple vote. >>

>> gretchen: marc >> marco rubio talks in a way connects to every american.the biggest mistakes this election was the whole 47% comment. rubio brings the messal of hopion growth and opportunity to every american in a way that he really connects with them in a major on a level that not any republican has done since probably regan. >> judge jeanine: interesting to see, guys what happens. ryan and tony thanks for being with us. >> great to see you. >> thanks for having us jeanne coming up, jodi arias finally off the stand. did she do enough to save her life? later, the golf ball, not the golfer is supposed to end up in the hole. what's droid-smart ? with google now, it automatically knows when you need to leave for the airport, how much traffic there is, and can have your boarding pass ready. the droid razr maxx hd by motorola. droid-smart. droid-powerful. why do people count on sunsweet prune it's made only fromn the prunes, nothing else. it works, simple as that. it's a natural source of fiber and five essential vitamins. it's the smart choice for me. stay fit

marco rubio, florida paul, 25%. marco rubio, 23%. rick santorum, former 23%. rick santorum, former 23%. rick sdespite not being invited cpac. paul ryan, wisconsidespite not presvice scott walker, wisconsi governor, 5%. scott walker, car maryland johns hopkins carson, ted cruz, 4%. ted cruz, bobby jindal, louisiana governor, 3%. sarah palin, former alaska bobby jindalvice presidential candidate, 3%. other? 14%. by the way, former florida governor jeb bush, a speaker at be placed on the ballot. question. how could the recommendations in the gop report change the playing field for the gop 2016 contenders looking ahead? >> well, one of the most important recommendations is the one aspect that the party really controls, which is the primary schedule. they're talking about changing the primary schedule in a way that really favors the more established candidates, and would hurt up and comers smaller candidates who need the primary system. >> i don't get it. why does the change do that? >> because if there are fewer primaries and fear debates, it favors those with the

first it was marco rubio, then it was ben carson.hat does this tell you about the state of the republican party today? >> beyond that it's schizophrenic, jonathan? i don't know. it really is demonstrating, again, how totally discombobulated they are, how divided they are. we continue to see that with the challenges not only in their messaging but as we talk about all the time when you're not in the big chair that they have a huge problem with the policies that they continue to push. and most importantly, with this particular situation, the namesake of the school, johns hopkins, who was an abolitionist, a quaker and a philanthropist, would probably have a bone to pick with dr. carson on this point right here. >> and with that, we have to go. thanks to angela rye anded to t shepard. >>> coming up, rand paul's philosophy on gun safety? why bother? stay with us. >> we have laws against murder and we should have laws against murder, but that doesn't seem to be deterring these people. i've always had to keep my eye on her... but, i didn't

senator marco rubio, governor scott walker is there.me fun there this morning with the prayer breakfast there, dr. ben carson. he's a neurosurgeon. he's not a politician. >> not yet. >> but with a little manualic, i might be in the white house come 2016. but while we wait for the official announcement, let's go right to molly henneberg who is there live. molly? >> there is some 23 people on the ballot. so you have to put your preference down. when they start unveiling the results, they don't always start with the straw poll. so when you see the graphics go up behind me, sometimes they show the break down of who showed up to vote. they'll say how many men, how many women what, ages, then they get to the results. some years they start right with the straw poll. so we're anxious to see how it goes this time. 23 people on the ballot. you may remember jeb bush asked to be taken off the ballot. he says it's too early to be focusing on 2016. so his name was not on it. although there is a place where you can write in a name. so some people may

in putting himself to the right of marco rubio, should he stick with that position?ve some republicans in the house enough cover to not vote for anything that is the path for citizenship. >> that's the most confusing. they're like wait a second, now we're trying to play compromise because we know we have to earn the latino vote in 2016, yet he is getting in the way of a bipartisan approach that seemed reasonable. if he's trying to get branding for himself or get on the spotlight, guess what? he's getting it, we're talking about him. but is this the right strategic way to go at it? i don't think so. he's outflanking by going further to the right which makes no sense. >> well -- >> david. >> it makes sense for jeb bush political perspective maybe in that i think there is a coming civil war or brewing civil war within the gop about immigration. simply half the party, 70%, i don't know what the numbers are, that are not going to accept a path to citizenship. marco rubio, bless him as joe biden would say, is taking a stand that may alienate him from that. there's is going

marco rubio says we have good ideas. what's the good idea? america. this is the big debate in the party. liberty versus america. >> don't the democrats have america, too? >> where are they going with this? >> they have liberty. >> is it liberty or is it america? i am so confused. >> there is a split. rand paul says we need more ideas and need to be more libertarian and less interventionist. okay, just his basic themes. marco rubio says we don't need to change anything except the candidates. we need to have candidates who better articulate what we've been saying all along. that's going to be the fight in the party. >> i've always asked this question. when you get your butt kicked in an election you really thought -- ann romney is probably an okay person. she thought she was going to win. they really thought, i didn't know who was going to win. i didn't know who was going to win. it was that close. the democrats had a better ground game, obviously. a better social network event. it was close enough to grab. like a football. the receiver is that close. i

. >> gregg: two of the more electrifying addresses, rand paul and marco rubio, and paul referred to the public party the g.o.p. of old has grown stale and lost cover. are these a couple of guys who intend to lead the party in a new direction? >> well, i think certainly rand paul does. i would say that marco rubio has a lot more in common with people rand paul are saying are moss covered than rand paul does. marco rubio has been strong on national defense and i think that's basically what this difference, what this argument is about. my colleague, bill kristol at the weekly standard has an editorial going back and revisiting that comment from rand paul and looking at the history of the republican party and its position on national defense. strength through-- peace through strength and going back and looking at the times when the country was war weary and there have been times in the past the country was war weary and when the united states lets down its guard there are often serious repercussions for having done so down the line. >> gregg: i think that's important to remember. more socia

you got marco rubio saying something very different. but the one person who wasn't there in that straw poll, who we might see going ahead, is jeb bush, he was not included in that. did not want to be included in that. you had rand paul at the top, you had marco rubio second and everybody else way, way down the line. we'll talk about that this morning. of course, that's 2016. we'll talk about this week as well. >> you wonder how much the filibuster impacted that. you interviewed -- >> i think that's exactly right, dan. i think that filibuster with rand paul did influence the vote. >> you also interviewed speaker of the house john boehner for the show. did you get any sense that the president's charm offensive is working? >> i didn't get the sense from john boehner that it's working. i call it with him, the so-called charm offensive, he doesn't seem particularly charmed. the divide seems just as great. we'll ask our roundtable about that. very curious to see what they think. if there's anything going on behind the scenes we don't know abo

we'll see. >> how do you think it plays, ron reagan, relative to marco rubio. udden the attention being focused on illegal immigration, they're both from the same state. what is rubio's reaction to this? >> well, i think marco rubio's probably chuckling a little bit to himself because, again, on a low-hanging fruit sort of issue like immigration, jeb bush seems to have kind of cdone a romney. can anybody describe what his actual position on immigration is at this point? is it his book? is it what he said before? is it what he's saying now, whatever that is? you know, it's a little confusing, isn't it? >> just the fact he's publishing a book at this time seems like it's painting my numbers, the first thing you do when you're getting ready. thank you, michael steele. thank you ron reagan, as always. we'll be back right after this. here, it's found in many forms. it's in the pristine sands of a perfect beach. it's in the soothing waters of the turquoise sea. and it's in the faces of all who set foot on our shores. behold...the islands of the bahamas. [ man ] on in

marco rubio said today, we don't need new ideas. and they really believe that.haven't -- >> when you say they believe that. you mean the folks at cpac. not republicans in general. >> well, a lot of republicans in general do believe that. because they live in this echo chamber. for 40 years they've been doing the same thing and it has worked out well for them. and they look, okay, we've been told by our pollsters about these demographic changes. all we need is a different messenger. >> if christie is being ostracized, won't that just help burnish his brand as an outsider and in turn perhaps help him with these independent-minded right-leaning voters? >> you are absolutely right in saying that the best thing in christie's short term interest is that the press pick up on the fact the conservatives didn't want him there. he is about, unless things change, to get reelected next year in a democratically leaning state. it certainly helps him in the short term. in the long term, what kneads to happen for the folks who go to that conference is something new to them. to h

so marco rubio's press secretary sent this out in an immigration letter, marco rubio did.ions of the bill start with meaningful hearings and of particular importance is a full consideration of border security proposals including testimony from border security experts, the secretary of homeland security and a key feature of our bipartisan approach has been insistence on meeting border security and enforcement triggers before unauthorized immigrants can apply for permanent residence. his press secretary yesterday after this deal seemed like it was coming together. hold on, hold everything, we're not there yet. this is a nice step forward, but we are far from having this thing done. we are not done yet. alex conan tweeted yesterday. >> now the mexicans coming across the southern border voted think the democrats would maybe then want to build a wall? and i think the president won about 75% of the hispanic vote and a lot of them are going to continue to vote democrat, what they think they don't want to enforce the border because it allows more to come in and help win the electi

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marco rubio, the republican's break-out star of the year, loses to hillary, too.trailing by 11 points. both would get pounced on their home turf. this is the political fallout. it rubs off on their candidates. joining me now is ed rendell, former pennsylvania governor, and susan milligan, thank you both for your time. >> absolutely. >> my pleasure. >> ed, hillary clinton beats both jeb bush and marco rubio in their home state? is it panic time for the republicans? >> sure. because she just didn't beat him in a poll last month. she beat him by two or three points. now she's beating him by 11 points. and these are the two florida superstars. and worse, marco rubio has fallen down to 21. that's happened in a short period of time. they both waffled on path to citizenship and, again, it's part of the gun stuff and part of the whole negativity of the republican party and this party's go the to understand, it's not the way they deliver the message. it's not the message, it's the policies. unless they change their policy, they are not going to be able to be successful. >>

rand paul and marco rubio among the speakers kicking off the event. in case you missed it here are some of the highlights. >> people who disagree on all sorts of things in the real world work together all of the time on things they do agree on. there has to be a movement in america for people who believe in limited government constitutional principles and a free enterprise system and that should be us. there are jobs not being created in this country because we have a 16 and a half trillion dollar debt and it's only scheduled to get bigger. >> the constitution must be our guide for be conservatives to win nationally we must stand for something. we must stand on principles. we must stand for something so powerful and so popular that it brings together people from the west. the gop is old and gone stale and moss covered. >> i don't think we need to name many names do we? our party is incumbered by an inconsistent of freedom. the new gop will need to embrace liberty in the economic and personal speer. >> we have to fight this. we have to win this fight b

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that's why you see -- i think that's the case with marco rubio. sometimes he sounds like a moderate republican, sometimes like a tea party republican. this is a fight we're going to see politicians have with themselves and also with the larger party. >> goes back to your rebranding issue which is that you want to come off as a sensitive, compassionate politician, while at the same time sticking to core principles that aren't exactly popular or necessarily compassionate. it is difficult to have it both ways. >> nia, where do you think we are in this re-branding story? is this the beginning of a six month period of confusion? is this going to be so confusing? >> only six months? >> or could it be just so confusing that republicans can't take it any more by the end of the week and say stop it, we're going back to everything we said last year. >> if you listen to rush limbaugh, he is singing a different tune, if you listen to rand paul. part of the problem, it is leaderless. this is a fight that has to be fought out in 2016, and in some ways in 2014.

you see what marco rubio says there. he wants to prevent these things but he's willing to do nothing on the legislative front. i think it's possible if the president makes a focus of this, at least demanding a vote, it's possible. but it is sobering and demoralizing to see, you know, three months ago we were wondering if there might be sort of dramatic action. background checks would be great but it's sort of the minimum anyone could have imagined three months ago and now that may not even happen. >> the shift you've seen from republicans is pretty remarkable. that's the difference time has made. when the shooting first occurred, they were pretty reluctant to be out front talking about second amendment rights and second about the tragedy. >> in spite of those public opinion polls, which is the interesting thing, but it's clear that the nra, which seemed to be caught flat-footed in the beginning in the few weeks after newtown regain that footing pretty quickly, casey. >> to the point they're even putting robo calls now th

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and marco rubio says we need to change the candidates. >> i've always thought this.n an election where you get your butt kicked. i didn't know who was going to win. it was that close. you say he blew it usually. he should have caught it. it's not the quarterback's fault in that case. if they blew it, is there tendency to go hard right with rand paul? no more wars and all that stuff and less republican government? >> but that is never won. even when they went conservative. when they went to ronltd reagan, he was a traditional movement conservative who had been less conservative as a governor in california. and he had a lot of crossover appeal. we haven't seen the conservative -- the revenge of the neo conservative empire yet. and they're coming. let me ask you about this choice now. do they say more romney with a different face, rubio, or say, wait a minute, that me, too, thing isn't working? >> i'm a believer in inertia. i think they believe in the same basic ideas. >> pretending to be right wingers but not willing to believe it themselves. >> not willing to go all t

one week marco rubio is the savior, this week ted cruise is the savior of the republican party. about the ryan budget plan, something that's not serious at all, you have to wonder whether the republican party, particularly the conservative wing of the republican party is serious at all about being a major national party any more. >> ted cruise, by the way, will maybe or maybe not do some version of his joe mcmillan cart eli where he said this about harvard law school. there are fewer declared republicans in faculty when we were there than communists. 12 would say they were marxists, and believed in the communists overthrowing the united states government.

there is a poll out today that she beats both jeb bush and marco rubio by double digits. joe biden will be a strong candidate. we have an enormous number of good governors across the country, martin o'malley, governor cuomo, so i am looking forward to it. >> do you think voters in an aging society -- part of obama's appeal was young and vibrant. does it matter? >> i think presidential politics is very generational. when the country moves to a next generation of leadership, they very rarely reach back and bring in an older generation. to a certain extent that was a factor for senator mccain in running against obama and partly a factor in romney running against obama, and that is an interesting dynamic for the two most likely nominees who will be older on the democratic side. if you love our field, there's a -- if you look at our potential field, there is a lot of fresh, young leadership in the republican party we're expecting to emerge here that will bring about a generational clay in the republican party that i think will be helpful. if you look at marco rubio, paul ryan,