there's no relationship between neiman marcus and the recipient of the gifts. can't begin to understand this case. because it's not -- they're claiming well, they should take the -- neiman marcus should take the gifts back. in fact, fobby lowell, who was the personal shopper in here, is named a defendant. so it's a very odd piece of litigation. i don't know where it's going, and frankly, i don't think it will ever get to a jury, fredricka, because i think the judge has to dismiss this case. >> we did reach out to neiman marcus and they had a no comment on that case. we'll see where it goes and how it goes. meantime, let's talk about another case. this involving young ladies who are suing their former employer, sutton place restaurant and bar for what they call sexual harassment and discnnination. they claim that the managers forceally weighed the female employees and posted the results on the internet so these women are saying, a, that's not right. we were harassed, and then to make that information public, so apparently, the court has taken this case. they hav

neiman marcus is not taking the items back so now she's suing.have a case. >> first of all, that's quite a personal shopper. she really personalized this case. >> a million and a half dollars. >> not in those terms, fred. you know what i'm talking about, fred. anyway, $1.5 million in items purchased through the personal shopper there who got commission on everything. look, neiman marcus has a website. they put their return policy on it. it says if you're not fully satisfied with your products, we'll return them. apparently they are not living up to that promise. >> doesn't matter how many months or years passed? >> it's got to. three years ago was when everything was purchased. all this information came out during the course of the divorce. there's got to be some fine print, something. i think neiman tried to resolve it but apparently it was too much money, $1.5 million. they wouldn't do it. >> avery, usually there's 90 days or 60 days, two weeks most stores will extend that on their return policy. >> sure. >> if that term has expired and she wan

this is about future generations. >> marcus allen used to play professional basketball.oday he's with a team that invests in poor and homeless families. it's called achievability. the program provides housing through a combination of federal tax credits and other public funding and it opens the door to an education with student loans, grants, and incentives. >> many of our families are the first in their families to graduate from college. we believe that once the first one goes to college, that can break that generational cycle of poverty. >> mark was is a walking role model. >> i came from a homeless family. one of the things that set me apart friday my family is i was the only person to go to college. from there things take off for me. that's what we see with a lot of families in our program. twhoes are able to look fear in the face and do it anyway. >> harold barrow knows that fear. >> i was terrified. >> you ought to be. >> barrow grew up on the streets of philadelphia, addicted to drugs at 11, an eighth grade dropout, homeless at 14. >> i kind of got headlong into s

>> marcus? >> i mean, i guess i would challenge the assertion that they are as polarized as they have ever been. the history of the country is full of political vitriol and intense partisan rivalries. >> there are metrics that will demonstrate. the farthest left republican and the farthest right democrat that there's lots of space between them. >> not the nation. >> okay. congress is cheerily partisan to the point of almost dysfunction. but i'm not sure -- i don't know that i would start by blaming media. even if it were true, what's the action point? what do we do? >> when you look at the positives, politicalization, i'm pushing on the side. look at fund raising. look at how much, how it democatizes the ability of candidate to raise money from large amount of people. >> just four years ago, both, the nation nominated the two candidates who were most known for saying we want a red or blue nation or mccain feingold, lieberman. i think the american people if they want that, will have leaders that

marcus sum mule son is committed to the change.ed three stars from "the new york times" presides over a hot spot in harlem blending flavors, people and business in a way that brings new meaning to soul food. >>> think about the numbers. harlem has 19% unemployment. u.s. has, what, 8.2. it's very important in this place. in here we're hired from the community. >> meatball. can we pick up one more please. >> you've described the menu as comfort food seen through the eyes of an immigrant. >> yes. absolutely. >> how does this represent who you are? >> everything i do is really a reflection of my personality, my journey. >> marcus samuelsson's journey has led to red rooster, the restaurant he opened in 2010. where the ooet yoep an born chef adopted by a swedish family with his older sister at age 3 pays tribute to a global appetite. >> who taught you first how to cook? >> my swedish grandmother. my grandmother helga. my mom was not a good cook but my grandmother was an amazing cook. i remember as a kid having mom's food but biking over

. >>> up next, the remarkable journey of chef marcus samuelsson. "today" on nbc. >>> now on "today's kitchen," what's cooking? world-renowned chef and owner of the rooster restaurant in harlem, marcus samuelsson tosses together a shrimp and endive salad. >> his book "yes, chef" talks of being adopted by swedish parents and dedicating his life to his passion for food. we love you. >> thank you so much. i came with a yes chef drink. >> yes chef, i like that. >> what is it? >> ethiopian spices. really the story of my life. honey, wine, a little bit of pineapple juice. >> very delicious. >> your memoir is a beautiful story. you were adopted at 3. >> i was adopted at the age of 3. me and my sister had tuberculosis. i heard your brother adopted a baby from ethiopia. i was adopted to sweden. that's when the second part of my life really began. >> look at the beautiful pictures. >> so lucky to be raised in sweden. >> please tell me your folks are still here to see your great success. >> my mom is. me and my sister grew up there. it was absolutely fantastic

and you saw the picture of marcus welby. if you got up this morning and took a pill, you used medical technology. that's probably what almost everybody in this room did. i took quite a few pills. they didn't do much good. rick, get to work. but virtually -- what's that? >> i need incentives. >> i'll be getting to that in just a second. so rick has already taken me off of technology and to my favorite topic. but marcus welby, that instrument that he's using, that was probably the best he had in those days. the reason he went to your home to visit you, he took that black bag, what was in it? a stethoscope, and basically nothing else. they had a thermometer too. okay, good deal. health care is not practiced that way anymore, and i think most of you can say that's a good thing. so there's the contrast to marcus welby. that is a proton beam therapy chamber. it's somewhat controversial. but the one thing you can be sure about it is, it's expensive. so it's always interesting to know how these things work, so here's a nice schemati

in maryland and pennsylvania, prompting some to ask if the state -- if the police superintendent marcus brown is only a part-time maryland resident. >> the dark colored crown victoria is owned by maryland taxpayers big it is the take- home cars assigned to marcus brown. we took these pictures of the car on a moral day, not in the maryland neighborhood, but in camp hill, pa., a suburb of harrisburg. it is one of two places that brown can call home. >> he has a family that lives in pennsylvania. his wife owns a home there. his name is not on that deed. and they have a situation where they both have professional careers. he works in maryland and visits his family regularly. but she has a career in pennsylvania and list their. >> neighbors tell us they see markets from quite a bit because he has young children. but the governor says is a legal resident is in maryland. it appears that your superintendent lives in two places, maryland and pennsylvania. you ok with that? >> his legal residence is in maryland. he pays taxes in maryland. he votes in maryland. as long as he keeps driving down vio

unfortunately for marcus shaw, he then decided to send the photographs to coach jackson's wife. 20th. well, coach jackson then fessed up, not only to his family but also to the warriors and the warriors and coach jackson went to the fbi. and the fbi started monitoring these e-mails, these correspondents between the two parties. i think we have a copy of one of them. >> sure. >> one of those e-mails. one says "now i will ask only once, do you want to purchase these pictures before i sell them." one of the other e-mails was i'm in the reputation management business and these pictures were shocking. i'm not deliberately trying to hurt you, however, this is business. nothing personal. and so with all of that information, the fbi was able to indict marcus shaw and alexis ada adams on not only conspiracy to commit extortion, but extortion. this is a federal case, brooke. >> business, nothing personal? uh-huh. what are jackson and the warriors saying? i understand the team is standsing by their coach. >> they sure are. we have a statement from coach jackson. it says i made some egregio

neiman marcus is not in the divorce business. they are not in the i manage personal relationships business. if you look at the return policy it says if you are not satisfied with the merchandise, not the person who purchased the merchandise for you. >> she is not satisfied with the merchandise, some of it is unused. >> there are a number of things not used. it went on for three years. the personal shopper the husband was getting too familiar with. she accepted the merchandise from her husband at the time whether she use it had or not. guess what? they don't do a divorce. you have been messing arounded with the personal hopper. i want nothing to do with it. >> the policy and neiman marcus is known for having a return policy. if for any reason you are not satisfied we will accept the timely return of unused merchandise. the company doesn't define timely. >> everything is mesh you ar-- measured reasonable standard. is timely 3 years because it has a unused tag? personal shopper in addition to shopping missing around with the shoppin

the highest ranking jew, there was a man named marcus spiegel. that is the same spiegel who founded the spiegel catalog. he unfortunately did not survive the war, but he did leave letters. he makes no reference to general order number 11 at all. i don't know why. whether letters were missing, whether he didn't choose to say it or it was too painful. i don't know. but it is mentioned, and the people who were affected are the jewish settlers. there are several telegrams asking grant, did you mean to expel the jewish settlers? if there is nobody to sell things to the troops, that is going to be very bad. the settlers, of course, were not expelled. lincoln overturned the order. >> my question deals with the relationship of henry hewitt and grants. in 1862, it was very poor. in fact, grant had removed him from command. our use of specific grant would've done something as provocative as general order number 11 without him even knowing about it, in spite of the fact that the communications were down? >> well, first of all, it is wonderful that people re

stros biewrg drills marcus spataro in the head with a 59- mile per hour fast ball. hard to watch.hank goodness for the helmet. he was able to walk off the field but three batters later, tied at two, todd helton hits it deep enough for the sacrifice fly. the nats lose though 4-2. the team goes back at it tonight. -- strasbourg drills marcus spataro in the head with a 95- mile per hour fast ball. . >>> > . >>> there is no guarantee of longevity in the world of boxing. one punch too many can mean end of a career. but one local boxer has been at it since she was 27. now, he is 40 with one mission. tony the tiger thompson is finishing up before drawning and heading to switzerland for the heavy weight world title match on july 7th. thompson held an open practice for the media in d.c. he is currently on a five-fight winning streak since losing in july of 2008. so what would it mean to bring home a title to d.c.? >> no matter what they say about me, how my style is,

marcus looked up, and everybody smiled, and my academic career was saved. [laughter] it took me about 30 years to get over that experience, but in "when general grant expelled the jews," i have returned to those notes concerning general numbers number 11 and its aftermath and the story, i hope, remains full of interest. now, general grant's order number 11 dated december the 17th, 1862 read as follows: the jews as a class violating every regulation of trade established by the treasury department andal department orders are hereby expelled from the department within 24 hours from the receipt of this order. we might have expected in the face of an order like this that thousands of jews would have been evicted from grant's territory, a huge area stretching from northern mississippi to caro, illinois, and from the mississippi river to the tennessee river. memphis alone at that time was one of the large jewish communities in the south. but surprisingly, very few jews were actually expelled. some from the area around holly springs, mississippi, and others as we s

marcus mason is a partner at the madison group. he is responsible for managing the firm's transportation, energy, tax and homeland security portfolio. in addition, he focuses on crisis management, complex integrated campaigns and coalition building. he has more than 15 years of political and policy experience. prior to joining tmg he served as amtrak's senior director of government affairs. marcus is a member of the board of directors of the black caucus foundation and on the political ti

but would you go back to marcus welby's day? where they knew about infection but couldn't do much about it. of course not. the fact is, we want all of those things. and i'm still sore at rick, because he hasn't given me the drug that will help me. but i'll give you until 2:00. but can we find out about evidence? here's a study from elliott fisher, looking at regional variations and medical spending. this is in the -- this is an index -- these are medicare patients at the end of their life. i didn't read the article close enough to know how close to the end of their life they were, but pretty close. and look at the distribution of tests and procedures that were done on people close to the end of their life. and low and behold, what do you see? very few minor procedures, but a lot of tests and imaging. that's where the money is, for the very sick people and that's where the money is for the not very sick people. there's plenty of money in those fancy machines, but where is the real throughput? it's in the seemingly ordinary interv

marcus watkins, the director of the joint agency satellite division at nasa. our final witness is mr. david a. powner, the director of information technology management issues for the gao. and i thank you all for being here. as our witnesses should know, spoken testimony is limited to five minutes each, after which members of the committee have five minutes each to ask questions. your written testimony would be included in the record of the hearing. because of the importance and the complexity of the issues before us today, i will allow you to go over five minutes if you need to, if you can, make it within five minutes, please do so. i'm very proud memphis colleagues for keeping theirs under five minutes. i was slightly over, i think. is the practices of the subcommittee on investigations and oversight to receive testimony under oath. and we will use that practice today as well. do any of you have an objection to taking an oath? okay. let the record reflect that the witnesses were all willing to take the oath by saying no and shaking their head from side to si

marcus mason is a partner at the madison group. he is responsible for managing the firm's transportation, energy, tax, and homeland security portfolio. in addition he focuses on crisis management, complex integrated campaigns and coalition building. he has more than 15 years of political and policy experience. prior to joining tmg he served as amtrak's senior director of government affairs. marc sus a member of the board of directors of national black caucus foundation. he's also on the board of directors of national black caucus political action committee. marcus is also a published author who writes spy thrillers. which i just found out. next we have my homeboy, jeff johnson. jeff is an award-winning journalist, social activist, and political commentator and author. from his celebrated conversations with marquee world figures in the political, business, and entertainment arenas to his grassroots trench work to inspire the next generation of leaders, investigative journalist, political correspondent, and activist jeff johnson cont

off the basketball court, marcus harvel could block every shot except the most important one. the one that took his life at just 18 years old. >> today, a milestone for 10 members of that team, in what would be the very first graduation ceremony for benjamin franklin high school. for basketball coach william russell, it was a proud day. >> i am feeling amazing because i got a chance to see all these guys to come in before the graduation and it's registering that all my kids are going to graduate and i'm really, really happy about that. >> and in the audience this morning was marcus harvel's mom who was here to see her son's teammates and friends graduate. >> i'm excited for the children. i love my babies more than a lot of things. i really love that we have a great connection as a family. so i'm excited. a little hurt but excited. >> we've had some battles. we've had some wars. >> for these young men, this whole experience has taught them some valuable lessons. >> one thing i learned personally even when things get tough, i just keep on going forward and always stay positive n

. >> i'm joined by salon.com senior writer and msnbc contributor steve cornecky and ruth marcus. the romney strategy trying to turn the tables on president obama acusing the president being out of touch. does it work? >> romney has faced the whole edition of wealth and can he relate to blue collar voters given his elite top 1% background. the other issue is the romney campaign talked about obama's private sector comment but romney himself made a comment that will haunt him and play into the idea mitt romney is out of touch, talking about firefighters and teachers and saying obama didn't understand the lesson of wisconsin. >> and also saying that the federal government doesn't pay for them, when, in fact, a lot of federal money goes to help support programs that hire teachers and firefighters and police officers. >> exactly and that is something that obama can return to over and over in this campaign because he proposed the jobs plan he put out before congress that republicans in congress sat on their hands and killed central to that was sending money to the states so you could st

it was purchased at upscale retailers, a neiman-marcus. >>> mike agreed says the item should not be on the shows in the first place. two years ago more than 200 stores agreed to not sell these items with the high levels of ed. >>> will change the way shop? >>> maybe, though always ask the retailers would doesn't have now. >>> the good news is billable of blood is way down per the concern is that there are still purses on the market with lead. if you are concerned the normal environmental working group will tester purse for free pre. >>> you do not the glove that when you go and buy purses. >>> folks around the bay area, lots of clouds moving in. there is a chance that we could see a couple of raindrops. we've got those clouds extended on shore, and linh. much cooler average. in the valley, some '70s. here's our system that stubbing for the very a, it's cord to cover itself out on the west coast on the weekend. we do every chance with some rain drugs ruling on through. our computer models picking up on the chance prepare it looks like it's going to be a little unsettled. the temperature

ruth marcus, you're the white house. you heard what the president did yesterday.o you are recover from any part of this law being constitutional? >> well, i have a view that in a weird way, whatever the court does is a lose-lose for the white house. this is what i mean by that. if they rike it counsel, then you have the justices, five of them, any way, saying that the president of the united states was willing to run rough shot over the constitution. but if they uphold it, maybe sarah can speak to this, how energizing is this? i understand there's another side that the democratic base would be all worked up. don't like the individual mandate. if the supreme court upholds the law, the republican base and other voters will know that the only way to save the country from obamacare, which i support, by the way, would be to defeat him. so it's just a hard -- it's a hard political situation. >> what's your sense of the white house, that they would prefer not to defend something unconstitutional? >> yes. >> at the end of the day, if they picked a lose-lose situation, one

it is the take-home car assigned to marcus brown, the head of the state police. we took these pictures not any maryland neighborhood, but in a suburb of harrisburg, pennsylvania. it is one of two places brown can call home. >> he has a home here and in pennsylvania. his wife owns a home there. his name is not on that d. they have a situation where they both have professional careers. he works in maryland and visits his pet -- his family regularly, but she lives in pennsylvania and works there. >> he says he is there quite a bit because he has children, but the governor says his legal residence is in maryland. this home was bought in 2004. neighbors here tell us that they see brown two or three times a week commodified never his family. >> it is clear that you live in maryland, and set -- and pennsylvania. are you ok with that? >> he pays taxes in maryland and votes in maryland, and as long as he keeps driving down violent crime and homicide cops he can do what he wants for all i care. trex a state spokesman says brown pays for gas when it comes to camp hill. he p

marcus welby could not make it today. today he would not be able of using his tools all on his own. yet the model today was built while he was in his prime. we have worked for over 25 years to build systems and programs designed to support physicians for our patients. how we pay our physicians is important. yet physicians have been successful due to the support for our network for over 25 years. the framework has been essential and i would encourage you to consider system development for the feature. >> thank you very much. >> this is going to be different how we are going to conduct this hearing today. everybody can participate in formally. it is like around the kitchen table. if someone wants to say something say it. if it makes sense speak up. that is plies to both sides of the table. senators as well as everyone. feel free to jump in. and that is for my colleagues too as well. i will ask the question. >> i'm intrigued as to what you are doing. and the system targets i should start off with free for service and savings are rebated back to the participants and you said target. in

>>> marcus is here with our sports report. >> and it is mid-june.e can't say it's too early number. things will break, players will get hurt, things don't always go as you plan, but good teams figure out how to deal with bad breaks. the orioles are starting to look like a good team. brian mattis was scheduled to start, but he injured his nose and couldn't start. arietta started instead. his 7 innings tide his career high. he allowed just 1 glove. nick markakis is out, he's hurt. ryan flaherty filled in. a diving catch to rob alex two months in a row -- two nights in a row. davis shatters his bat and hits the ball over the wall in right field. the os win tear fourth in the row. the breaks are going their way. this one's a 7-1 victory. >> crazy things happen in this game, and we saw it at the end of last year. i'm just really proud of the way jake pitched tonight. he stepped in when we needed him. >> every win's big, and to get it like that and possibly sweep tomorrow, that's great for us, and for me, it's a big start. >> the os have moved to second p

marshall, devon boyd and marcus cooper are now being held without bond. all of the players in the ruse, even the liquor stone owner that was being set up by his lover were undercover officers. paul wagner, news. >> still ahead tonight, a disturbing trend. why more and more children's blood pressures are rising. and it doesn't seem like anyone could survive, but one teenager did. we'll tell you how it happened, what happened, and we'll have an update on this teenager's recovery. >> also ahead, science is helping track down people who don't pick up after their pets. could you be next? that's next. [ banker ] mike and brenda found a house that they really wanted. it was in my sister's neighborhood. i told you it was perfect for you guys. literally across the street from her sister. [ banker ] but someone else bought it before they could get their offer together. we really missed a great opportunity -- dodged a bullet there. [ banker ] so we talked to them about the wells fargo priority buyer preapproval. it lets people know that you are a serious buyer becau

i had heard of marcus shelby and had been in join his work but never had the opportunity to meet him.rought together by the equal justice society specifically for this project. we were charged with beginning work. marquez and i spent a lot of time addressing our own position on the death penalty, our experiences with people who had been incarcerated, family members, friends of friends. pulling our information. beyond that, we did our own research. to create a picture that resonated with humanity. it is the shape of a house. in this context, it is also small and acts like a cell. i thought that was an interesting play on how these people make these adjustments, half to create home. what is home for these people? the home is their cell. people talk a lot about noise -- very noisy in prisons. that is interesting to me. looking at the communication level, the rise of frustration of being caged, wondering, where does redemption fit into the equation here? [singing] i think both of us really believe the death penalty is wrong, and is flawed for many reasons. the list is as long as my arm --

she wants that store, neiman marcus to take the merchandise back.u what neiman marcus has to say about that. >> a brewing legal battle. >> i know. it's going to get our guys talking. i know it will fascinate a lot of people when they try to deal with their own returns they want to make, maybe not $1.5. >> some high-end stores will take everything back. >> some won't. you've got to know that return policy. then are you planning for retirement? >> not well. >> not that it's around the corner, but you really do spend your lifetime sort of, working lifetime planning for your retirement. daria dolan is going to be with us. she's going to reveal what she believes are five big mistakes people make in retirement planning. then are you a big diver? >> like under water? >> snorkeler. >> i'm not crazy about the underwater thing. >> this might. off the coast of greece, there was a discovered city. a sunken city. it was discovered back in the '60s but only now have these divers had a chance to go in the deep and discover this city, which they believe is the expa

. >> and a dallas woman is suing neiman marcus because she couldn't return more than a million dollarse're talking about it with our legal guys. >> to be honest with you, i can't begin to understand this case. because it's not -- they're claiming, well, they should take the -- neiman marcus should take the gifts back. the personal shopper in here is named the defendant. so it's a very odd piece of litigation. >> you can hear more from our legal guys in the next hour of the cnn newsroom. >>> hello again. i'm fredricka whitfield. right now in sanford, florida, the clock is ticking for confessed shooter george zimmerman. he has less than 24 hours to report back to jail. he's been free on bail for weeks after he pleaded not guilty to murdering trayvon martin. martin savidge is in sanford, florida. how is the stakeout going. what skand of timeline are we talking about? >>

marcus brown lists his residence in baltimore, but his family lives in a home in pennsylvania.ach house receives a homestead tax credit. that allows them to take a $3,700 break on their city tax bill. >> since his legal residence is in maryland, he pays taxes in maryland, he votes in maryland. as long as he keeps driving down violent crime and homicides, he can go to canada on weekends for all i care. >> a state police spokesperson says brown was not aware he had tax credits on his baltimore house, but the application was filed in 2010. >> we certainly have had a string of nice days. beautiful blue skies. clouds from time-to-time in the afternoon. it has been nice so far. on the satellite in new england there is some instability producing some scattered storms. some of the clouds reach into new york state and even pennsylvania. we will watch what happens in pennsylvania. something could increase the chance for a shower this far south. we have had the chance for the past few days and not much has happened. today the to be smaller. we will detail that coming up. >> thank you. we

adams faces charges along with a man named marcus shaw. jackson apologized for embarrassing the family and warriors. >> in just about half an hour suspended sheriff ross mirkarimi faceses the ethics commission and hopes to convince them he hopes to get his job back. abc 7 news is live with the story. >> he says this is the moment he's been waiting for. the ethics commission resumes and yes, he's expected to tiff. today is d day for ross mirkarimi. the day he's expected to testify before the city's ethics commission. he told abc 7 news he's prepared. >> this is the most we've been waiting for. over six months of a nightmare. >> what he calls a nightmare began on new year's eve. mirkarimi grabbed and bruised his wife's arm. a neighbor videotaped it and just days after being sworn in, mark reamy found himself on another side of the law. pleading guilty to a misdemeanor domestic violence charge and the mayor suspended him. tonight mirkarimi hopes to tell his side of the story. >> i'm making responsibility and continue to do so for my action bu

then i will see if bernie marcus. bill clinton raised taxes in the first term. in his second term which you conveniently forget he cut the capital gains tax. >> yes, he did. >> i'm not against that. i want to balance the budget. >> if you create an entrepreneurial boom by lowering investment tax rates, bernie, isn't that what risk takers worry about -- dividends, capital gains, estate taxes and things of that sort, all of which obama wants to raise to the middle 40%. that's what obama is saying. >> he can't -- look. this is a campaign and he's trying to. >> this is class warfare. we know it. everybody knows it. he does also. it's deliberate. it's absolutely deliberate. the truth is raising taxes is not going to create jobs in america. lowering corporate taxes will make us competitive in the world. in his proposal he went up 25 or 30% on private income. 70% of the businesses in the united states are small businesses. these are businesses that pay ordinary income tax. he's basically going to raise the taxes on 70% of the people that create the jobs in america. how

marcus well by couldn't maker it today. there were preshts few tools in his medical bag and today he couldn't carry the tools in a wheelbarrow. but the distribution model has been in use since dr. wellby has been in his prime. we have worked for over 25,000 -- -- designed to support our physicians. how we pay our physicians is important, but no payment strategy alone will be enough to achieve the objectives we all share to optimize affordability and quality. hill physicians has been successful because of our -- physician network for over these 25 years, the organizational frame work for these collective earths has been essential to our success and i will encourage you to consider a strategy to foster organization. i hope to share 24 our experiences will be helpful to our efforts and thank you for inviting me to join you today. >> thank you very much. this is a bit different, how we're going to conduct this. it's not really a hearing, i like to call it a round table. that is everybody just participates, informally, it's like