and earl little was actually the president of the milwaukee branch of the marcus garvey movement, and he helped marcus garvey get out of jail back in the 1920s for the alleged mail fraud, and earl little was a pastor, an activist, a great preacher, he was always these great things that instilled specific values into his children. >> host: where did he live? how did he die? >> guest: gosh. well, earl little they say was killed by a black legion, which was a splinter group to the kkk back in the 1920s, during the great depression, and they put him -- just not the greatest situation but he was killed, and -- >> host: did your father remember that? was he older at that point? >> guest: yes, my nature did talk about it in his autobiography. they perceived their father as this really invincible person, the great protecter, the great provider, the strength of the family, and he would take his son, malcolm, with him when he did speeches, when he was speaking to the community about self-reliance, about perseverance, about working hard, the importance of education. >> host: what was malcolm lit