marcus george is still with me in washington. marcus, they're still blaming each other, aren't they? >> yeah, very clearly so. you heard a lot of blame being placed on the republican senators therefore refusing to negotiate under mitch mcconnell, the minority leader in the senate. he said they refuse to negotiate and in fact all they're interested in doing is filibustering, effectively delaying proceedings so the senate cannot actually vote on the democrat plan for a number -- at least another 24 hours or so, as we heard. harry reid talk of a long night tomorrow night. as you said, there's a wide gulf between the different plans, and there's still no compromise on the table. they appear to be edging closer. but, of course, the clock is ticking away. and we know that come tuesday, that the u.s. treasury will start to run out of cash. so on one hand we have the house of representatives who have passed a bill raising the debt ceiling, matched by about $900 billion in spending cuts. that would tie america over for the next six months.

george marcus. >> george marcus, that's right. and one other person. but they -- the lieutenant governors always vote now because they can. >> belva: the other big controversy was over the salary of presidents in the system and the big raise that one got in san diego. >> exactly. >> belva: how did that all come about at the same time? >> it was amazing. because even as the trustees are raising, and the regions are racing the fees, a uc san diego campus president got a huge race and the uc system, mark larrett, got about a $1 million raise. that's not from state fund. others did get very hefty funds paid for by the state. why they do this, they say, well, these people have worked harder and they've taken on new responsibilities. and when you say that, well, the lower paid workers say, well, haven't we? >> in the market, these individuals in theory could go somewhere else and the system would lose them, right? isn't that the argument? >> harvard university head hunter came knocking on the door of mark larret, ceo of medical center at ucsf. that was the j