marcus mabry from "the new york times." richard kim for the nation.com and matt welch, editor in chief of "reason" magazine. can martin o'malley make this an actual contest? i mean it's not just primary for primary's sake. people only show up if there's a vigorous contested race going on. >> no. >> that feels like the answer yeah. >> what problem does martin o'malley solve? that's one way of looking at any kind of presidential scrums. i think he address only one problem which is youth. everyone who is being contemplated so far for the democratic nomination clinton, joe biden, jim webb. these are all 70-year-olds basically. he gets his guitar out and he's younger. >> a lot. >> but no one sits around and talks about the baltimore miracle or the maryland blueprint. >> but they did talk about maryland blueprint. they didn't call it that. it was called city stat. there was a point which first baltimore then maryland became the technocratic way to run, right, a local government this idea that you collect all these data. you analy