marcus sullivan who is the media columnist for the washington post had a great column this past week saying if it's a lie, call it a lie. if it's inaccurate, call it inaccurate, if it's garbage, call it garbage. obviously, it's up to journalists to really decide what -- what is, you know, lie, what is inaccurate, what is true and give that to the people. that's the value that journalists bring to the public. is saying, you don't have the time to do this in your daily life. we do and here's the information you need to get on with your life. >> we got a lot of work to do. i guess get back to where the public feels like they trust journalists. thanks so much for joining us. >>> we were looking at a poll earlier of reliability and trustworthyness. journalists were at the bottom of that and i think sometimes it's misguided as a journalist certainly we have a little bias but when we here politicians call something fake news it's a story that goes after them and it's not necessarily fake news >> it's easy to blame the media for a lot but when you have people who practice journal risk that's