we also joined by marcy berry. vice chairman of libertarian party of san francisco and opponents of the measure. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, shauna >> i like to open with opening remarks that was with you much. >> thank you first, thank you very much for having us present our views. the libertarian of seven cisco appreciates. regarding proposition k indeed, the city absolutely does need to do something about unused or underused property. the city has an immense amount of these properties out there. something needs to be done. however, it seems to us, from our point of view of small government and very strict constitutional ideas, that perhaps this is not the way to go. here is what we think. i think that this proposal significantly expands the description of what it it means to be homeless. it significantly expands what it means to need affordable housing. we'll obviously, in a city like san francisco we can argue about subsidies but when the government is subsidizing somebody that makes $122,000 a