. >> let me go back to marcy kaptur for a final view. would we be better off -- i'm hearing from people in pennsylvania i grew up, very much anti-trade, going back to the beginning pb and i understand that. do you think america would be healthier economically now if we had closed the door on all these trade deals back with kennedy, long before clinton, we were having trade deals. do you think we would be better off the way we were with an economy that's basically an american economy, rather than going worldwide and global? are you saying we'd be healthier? >> from the founding of the republic, we've been a trading nation, the problem is when you have closed markets like japan's, for example, or major markets in europe, only allow 10% of their goods to come from elsewhere, we become the dump market for the world. and that comes out of the hides of our people. and they've had it for too long. it's gotten to a tipping point and we have to address this with a new trade model. that's where we want to go. i believe president obama, i believe h

. >> let me turn now to congresswoman marcy kaptur of ohio.bama says that elizabeth warren and congressman brown, you're just wrong on this. what's your response to just being wrong on this? >> well you know, we had the privilege of serving in office since nafta passed. and i have been dealing with japan for three decades. their market has remained closed, and what i've seen happen to the people of my entire state and region is the outsourcing of their jobs. hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs in ohio alone. five million nationwide. just in manufacturing. these trade agreements have literally, since the 1970s, cost this country a loss of over 47 million jobs. >> so where is fast track right now? >> the ways and means committee is going to hold a hearing tomorrow. the bill is teed up in both chambers. it's important for the american people who have lost their jobs because of trade, with their companies outsourced, their wages cut, and all these imports cutting in to say wait a minute, we need time-out for america for a change. >> okay s