who lost her sonjames, and also margaret aspinall who lost her son james, and she and also margaretsonjames, and she was saying that 28 years of torture, she sees it as that 28 years of torture, she sees itasa that 28 years of torture, she sees it as a beginning to the end of that porter. —— of that torture. you know, we've had so many knock backs we doubted whether it would ever happen sometimes. mixed feelings, i think. as i said, there are no victors in this, but we do feel, and we have said all along, that things have been done and said that should never have happened, and things haven't been done that should have been, and obviously for the independent cps, on our behalf and society at large, have now preferred charges against some people and obviously we can't discuss those now because of the sub judice, as i've said. i'm just going to add to that, what trevor's said. i think what it has done today, obviously we have changed the course hopefully for the future of the country that, you know, don't ever give up hope, that if you carry on fighting, as the families have for all of