, i feel like i should say margaret carlson, because, man, did i love that show. >> thank you.> you say we're all bidens now, right? we all greet people in a very touchy, feely way, and you explore where that came from in your recent writing? >> i agree with your opening. honk if you haven't been hugged by joe biden. it's not press datory, it's not treacherous. there's no idea that it's going to be sexual in any way. it's not a me too movement. but it comes from the me too movement, and joe biden is going to have to adjust to that. but you have to multiply by ten how we all behave in our lives. a stranger hugged me at the end of an evening. you got to expect that politics is a contact sport. and emily makes a good point in her writing on campus, sexual assault hearings has been brilliant. and the only thing that i would credit, the department of education under betsy devos with is taking a look at those standards and how to get a fairer hearing. not that they're reached that moment of perfection, nonetheless, michael, all movements, the pendulum swings too far and you have to p

joining me now is member of the new york times edtorial board and margaret carlson. rgaret, you wrote about this today and you wrote, to cast joe biden into the me too wilderness before the first primary vote is cast would not be to ignore the whole history of politics who have been hugging and kissing. tu touching is part of the practice of politics. it's one that's asexual in public and a staple of campaigning. discuss. >> two things about the social mor morasse is hugging is the new handsha handshake. i'm hugged by people i hardly know. i think we all are. it's not that joe biden is so far behind the times. multiply this by ten for olympi politicians. i think it's what that do. someone who has suffered has more human out reach to people. i don't think the metoo move m movement is set up to handle this sort of thing. there's nothing about this that is threatening. it's not in private. it's a discomfort that i or you might feel at some time but somebody in a social situation. 99.5% of the people of the times i've been with biden out on the campaign trail and others,