my conversation with the reno renowned military historian margaret mcmillan on humanity's complicated relationship with war and how throughout history we are repeatedly dro lly drawn into it despite the horrors. welcome to the program, everyone. i we're often warned that those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. the message holds particular resonance today with nationalism on the rise across europe, democracies changing into autocracies and civil war plaguing africa and the middle east. old alliances appear strained, so, too, is the past 70 years of geopolitical stability that many of us have benefitted from. it's perhaps, therefore, argues paradox. we are appalled by it by entranced by it. it brings about huge social invention. war appeals to the worst of human straits but inspires ideals and qualities that are rarely seen in peace time. above all, war is what happens when the things that we want to live for are worth dieing for. i sat down with professor mcmillan to discover why war is such an integral part of our human experience. professor, welcome to the prog

my conversation with the reno renowned military historian margaret mcmillan on humanity's complicatednship with war and how throughout history we are repeatedly dro lly drawn into it despite the horrors. welcome to the program, everyone. i we're often warned that those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. the message holds particular