>> margaret ramsey was a chemist. she had her degree. was -- she had a bachelor's degree in chemistry from boston. i forget which college, but she's from boston. we worked together as a team. we wired these little pins, and we soldered them with plastics. we made little forms to press them together. so we worked together very happily for, might have been -- i forget. it must have been four or five months. margaret was a really fine scientist, and she was the first person i ever worked with as a colleague. she ended up marrying james keck, another set. they lived -- they still live up in the boston area. jim keck, he was another fine fellow. the two of them have married and been married ever since. >> okay. that was great. that gets us through -- oh, when did you work with george? >> so then -- well, i was still on jumbo. i couldn't -- they didn't let me know anything, but i got my white badge. shortly thereafter, couldn't have been more than a week or two, i was told that we were going to have a little meeting with the head of what was c