marson because margaret sanger's granddaughter married dawn. the families became closer. the children of the next generation. i wanted to bring them to go see superman versus batman and they wouldn't let us in. too bad, it would have been fun. i just had wanted to call attention to that crossgenerational, these were the long stories it carried forward into these people's names. we went to go see captain america 2 pedagogy really thinking about, what happens is, captain america starts in 1940. the way the marvel people don't with the problem is he's just like earnest boy scout and he seems very dated and he wears an american flag. he would be harder to update because apparently the something is everybody has to be moody and depressed. you have to be depressed -- batman is kind of depressed. all the superheroes have to have like even ironman is kind of depressed but they're all suffering from depression. you can't have it captain america needs antidepressants. he's on prozac from the start. they couldn't hear what to do with captain america so th

sell margaret sanger goes out to find an ally. and she will find though whole project her husband left hundreds of millions of dollars and whatever it takes the will build laboratories and by the animals and write a blank check for recover else. but he does need one more thing a doctor who knows how to treat women. so he finds john ross the catholic gynecologist's most respected fertility expert and gets him to come along. so no somebody who brings respectability and is also a catholic touche challenge the church. that sex is good for marriage not just a reproduction and these people are on their own but they set out to do something that everybody tells them is impossible. >> host: above that catherine mccormack imported diaphragms from europe by selling them into dresses because it was illegal to bring them and. she was very creative with the tragic life because a husband was complete the schizophrenic and insane and she spent her life taking care of him but not until he died when she was in her '70's that she could invest in to

you talk about how when men would follow margaret sanger to tell us the secret. what is the secret. >> guest: there must be a magical solution that they felt like they were prevented from getting that information because they would arrest people. she got arrested for just putting things in the mail and it wasn't in the 30s they remained on the books they were not always enforced but they remained until the 60s. >> host: in connecticut for ex- ample from 1965 that struck down the wall that separates control would fail to meet in binary to couples that was illegal. >> host: and massachusetts as well until the late 60s and that's where they were doing this research. how do you test if it works even disseminating information about it is illegal. >> host: you structure it in an interesting way as the story of four people coming together to create. can you walk us through who those people were and what their role in the development was? >> guest: it is a human drama. they were all rebels and they were all aware that they were throwing bombs and doing something incredib

you talk in your book about how women would follow margaret sanger and say tell us the secret. what's the secret? >> guest: that there must be some magical solution of the ocean you. to collect are prevented from getting that information because the government would arrest people even who -- she was arrested and booked for putting things in the mail. it wasn't until the '30s. they weren't always in force but they remained on the books until the '60s host back in connecticut, it was until 1965 that struck down a law that said birth control, the sale and use of birth control even by married couples was illegal. >> guest: and in massachusetts as well until the late '60s and that's where they were doing this research on the birth control pill. even disseminating information about it is illegal. >> host: you structure the book in an interesting way as the story of four people coming together to create the pill. to to just walk us through who those people were and what their role in the department of the pill was? >> guest: what i loved about the story was it's a human drama. they ar

which presents what he describes as a grand story of radical feminist politics that started with margaret sanger in the 1930s and ended with test trials in puerto rico on the cusp of the sexual revolution. this progra i

don who married margaret sanger's granddaughter, who is also older and he had to the estate. the estate was handled by marston until his death and by his would was an attorney. she died at the age of 100 the long before she died, her adopted son, don, took over the estate. i don't know anything about the family arrangements nor is it any of my business, but certainly it has not been an adversarial acrimony situation, so far as i know, but i don't really know. >> this may be a stupid question, but what is the justice society? [laughter] >> no, it's not a stupid question. the justice society is a league of superheroes that was formed by all-american comics, which was, which the comic book company that games owned, formed in 1940, and with its own comment book called all-star comics. it was way to take superheroes that existed in other comic books, maybe had their own comic books and maybe they were, made guest appearances, and to try them out in their own comic book and see if they had any staying power. or to reward superheroes that a big following by bringing them in. it was