margaret sanger was another adult who began to bring to bear challenges to the norms of sexual practice. she was a social worker who, early in the 20th century, had worked with poor, immigrant women in manhattan, lower manhattan in new york. she was struck by a number of things. their impoverished conditions, for sure, but also the number of pregnancies that many of these women had and how hard -- the hardship that came with these people living in chronic conditions, these women especially, having so many children. all the health issues involved therein and the medical problem of many of these women trying to induce their own abortions and causing infections from which many were harmed or killed. she came away from her social work with a sympathetic view of women in marriage, critical view of the domestic arrangements where women had no control -- or little control over the number of children that they were to bear. and so she began to -- she set up a clinic early in the 20th century to pass out birth control information. officials closed the clinic down. birth control information was s

margaret sanger continues to target minorities with abortion. i'm not sure secretary clinton wants to play this game. charles: margaret sanger is the founder of planned parenthood, and i have lo lost counts of how many abortions they have been involved in, it could be in the 50 millions. what do you make -- this has been an interesting week it seems like hillary clinton not only went to the race card because it's what the democrats typically go to, but it was a way for her to change the narrative, if you will. even the mainstream media was pounding her good on this clinton foundation. >> i agree with you. i think the clinton campaign mimicked by much of the mainstream media are using these issues as a disfraction from what voters are telling us is a substantial part of this campaign, job security and immigration. when the kids are back in school i anticipate the meaty issues in this campaign will be more in the forefront, and i don't think hillary clinton wants her policies on job creation and economic policy to be contrasted with mr. trump's. t

and i tried to find people's pivot points in their life from hagel to margaret sanger to lbj.made them into who they were. and found some interesting stories. i actually think you would enjoy the book, lawrence. >> and you have donald trump as a progressive. why do you see him as a progressive? >> because i think he has socialist tendencies. he believes in big government. i don't think -- he's definitely not a conservative. i don't even like calling myself a conservative anymore because i don't even know what it means. i'm a constitutionalist. and i believe in the adherence to the constitution. i don't think donald trump has even read the constitution, knows what's in the constitution, or indeed like most progressives i don't think he thinks it's relevant anymore. so he is a guy who believes in at least double the amount of stimulus of hillary clinton. he believes -- he's much farther down the road on health care than barack obama was. and i'm shocked at the number of conservatives, whatever that means, and republicans, whatever that means, that are fine with it coming. it hon

you'll find unbelievably sympathetic things about margaret sanger, believe it or not, i wanted to findkes people tick. we worked with behavioral scientists to try to figure out why this works. but progressivism shouldn't be confused with republican or democrat. it is the desire to control other people. progressivism is about statism. if you're talking about early 20th century progressivism which i'm talking about and the long-term plan of where that's heading, i think there's a lot of people who claim that they're progressives who don't know the history of progressivism. and it's important to know, as hillary clinton describes herself as an early 20th century progressive. you have to find out what that is, in the first place. but donald trump is a progressive as well, just a nationalist progressive as opposed to an international progressive. >> he says progressives are not just democrats. it can be conservatives as well. >> it's not, big time. it started with the republicans. >> thank you very i would always answer hispanic. so when i got my ancestry dna results it was a shocker. i'm e

>> you'll find really sympathetic things about margaret sanger, believe it or not, because i tried to what makes people tick. we worked with behavioral scientists to try to figure out why this works and what's happening. progressivism runs across the board. it is the desire to control other people. progressivism is about statism. if you're talking about early 20th century progressivism, which i'm talking about, and the long-term plan of where that's heading, i think there's a lot of people that claim that they're progressives that don't know the history of progressivism. and it's important to know, as hillary clinton describes herself as an early 20th century american progressive, with her being that specific, you have to find out what that is in the first place. but donald trump is a progressive as well. just a nationalist progressive as opposed to an internationalist progressive. >> the book is called "liars, how progressives exploit our fears for power and control." he says progressives are not just democrats, progressives can be conservatives as well. >> big time. >> thank you. >>

middle class reformers -- we'll talk about them pretty soon -- charlotte perkins gillman and margaret sanger came out of the socialist milleau. many women suffrage advocates are connected with socialism. socialism is coming, says the peal to reason in 1912. socialism is coming. it's coming like a prairie fire. nothing can stop it. the next few years will give the nation to the socialist party. this optimism. but, if you look more closely in 1912, you would also see some real serious weaknesses. the socialist party was not attracting the new immigrant working class, the factory workers, the people who were transforming, once again, the nature of american work and working class life. the working class is being remade again by massive immigration, but outside new york city, most of the socialist appeal is to either old immigrants, not the new ones, or middle class or lower middle class farmers, et cetera, et cetera. the real challenge was how could they appeal to the new immigrant worker in the heart of american industry, if they're going to claim to be the party of workers. next time we will s

middle class reformers -- we'll talk about them pretty soon -- charlotte perkins gillman and margaret sanger came out of the socialist milleau. many women suffrage advocates are connected with socialism. socialism is coming, says the appeal to reason in 1912. socialism is coming. it's coming like a prairie fire. nothing can stop it. the next few years will give the nation to the socialist party. this optimism. but, if you look more closely in 1912, you would also see some real serious weaknesses. the socialist party was not attracting the new immigrant working class, the factory workers, the people who were transforming, once again, the nature of american work and working class life. the working class is being remade again by massive immigration, but outside new york city, most of the socialist appeal is to either old immigrants, not the new ones, or middle class or lower middle class farmers, et cetera, et cetera. the real challenge was how could they appeal to the new immigrant worker in the heart of american industry, if they're going to claim to be the party of workers. next time we will

margaret sander, for example, the founder of planned parenthood who believed that people of color were undesirables. i mean, is she going to distance -- >> alfonso, with all due respect, manning let sanger is dead and not running the campaign. >> but -- >> okay. let me get richard cohen in on that question. is it possible to hire someone who is -- who identifies himself with something like the alt-right, with basically a white nationalist movement, to hire them to run your campaign and not be associated with them, richard? >> look, before he hired bannon, racist themes were running through mr. trump's campaign, really from the very start. and i think another important thing to realize is, you know, it's not just the presidential election that's at issue now. it's really our character as a nation. you know, are we going to be defined by the principles of our founding documents, or are we going to be defined by ethnicity? and i think that's a question that's going to persist kind of long after this election, and you know, i think breitbart is on the side of ethnicity. >> and andrew, you've had probably the most direct experience with dealing with these people. if they were -- what is thei