margaret spinelli is a psychiatrist, like myself, except competent. and she is interested in post-partum depression. and she is going to tell bus hormonal changes that are associated with it, some of the things that are likely to increase the likelihood of depression, and also therapeutic approaches to available to it. 10% to 20% of women come down with post-partum depression. post-partum depression, as you mentioned, also occurs in men and david is a person who suffered from this. it's 5% to 10% of men. the reason one doesn't know more about this is because most men are reluctant to discuss it. we're so fortunate to have david here. >> rose: absolutely. >> who is a physician, a pediatrician, but has the courage to discuss it, which is not only wonderful for us but really beneficial from other people who might suffer from post-partum depression to realize to talk about it is normal. this is nothing to be ashamed of. and it may be helpful for both the person who suffers from it and the people around him. we're in for a terrific program which may make u