and margaret talev, senior contributor at axios. okay. to the group chat. i don't i don't know if you've ever had to call it, but that's not a phone number that necessarily yields a solution. stephen, talk to me about the fact that these lawmakers are back fresh off their town halls, and now they've got questions right. >> and they're hearing a lot of concern about various cuts from their constituents. this constitutionally is the way it should have happened all along. and we've seen the first signs that the supreme court is not that keen on the idea of presidents just refusing to spend money that's already been appropriated by congress. and why they're doing this is because if you use this process called rescission, which is to claw back money that's already been appropriated, that gets past the senate filibuster. the problem here, though, is once you start introducing individual lawmakers to this process, every lawmaker has got one program. they don't want to get cut. yeah, but that's the point that slows. >> down, right? like, one of the things i've wond

joining me right now is margaret talev. she is a senior contributor for axios and a professor. i always like to add that okay. so margaret, good to see you again. so this this critical response, you know, from senator lindsey graham was immediate. i mean, even before zelenskyy had actually exited the white house. what have you learned about whether any of this immediate trump support was planned or choreographed to make sure that they're all, you know, aligned? >> yeah. >> fred, i think a lot. >> of people. >> are. asking those. >> questions today just because. >> there were so many elements. >> moving so swiftly. >> and. the zelenskyy, you could see. >> the moment. >> with the. >> cameras rolling. >> when he. >> sort of thought, huh, this is not what i thought. >> i was coming to. >> um, but i think it's important to note that for many weeks and months, uh, a lot of long standing, hard gop support for ukraine has been eroding or or at least softening since donald trump's election. and since we've seen a shift in messaging and polling. and so, you see, folks like you remember, s

. >> okay, let's welcome in margaret talev, a senior contributor to axios, also the director for the institute of democracy, journalism and citizenship at syracuse university, joins me now from washington. margaret, always a pleasure to have you. before we get to the dems there, and what arlette was sort of responding to there, how they disagree over the best strategy for them right now. let's just begin with trump and what you're expecting to hear from him from tomorrow. coming off of that really explosive event with zelenskyy on friday. what does he say tomorrow? >> look. >> i think the. >> joint address. >> is going. to be an opportunity. >> for the. >> president to try to explain his. >> actions so far. >> and we've seen. him do. >> a few of. >> these before so we. >> know he will declare victory, whatever. >> victory means. >> in his first. >> um, you know, couple of his first month in office, first month in a. >> couple. >> of weeks. >> so i would. >> expect to hear. >> his analysis of the negotiations so far with zelenskyy framed in what he will see as a positive light. >> and

. >> margaret talev, nia-malika henderson, stephen collinson, who i love to read online, columnist at cnn. i want to thank you guys for being here, having a group chat with me. i also want to thank you for waking up with us. i'm audie cornish and cnn news central begins right now. >> all right. we do have breaking news. president trump is expected to issue an executive order as soon as today that would dismantle the entire department of education. >> and happening now, european leaders gathered at a crucial summit with ukrainian president zelenskyy. can eu leaders fill in the gap left by president trump after his decision to pull u.s. aid from ukraine? >> also new this morning, there's new dna evidence discovered on one of the victims in the idaho quadruple murder case. i'm kate bolduan with john berman and sara sidner. this is cnn news central all right. >> breaking this morning was one hell of a headline in the politico playbook. look at that. school's out forever. well, there it went. moments ago, sources confirmed to cnn that president trump is preparing to sign an order to elimin