what margaret thatcher said, she was never able to turn it around.ritish national health-care system. i was in the green room at fox a couple of days before the vote for obamacare. they decided to jam it down the throats of the american public. i said to juan williams, "water you doing? " you are committing political suicide bank he said that me tell you what the administration told me. "we believe obama. we believe that america's love for entitlements, and once we get them hooked on this entitlement, they will never let it go." [crowd boos] just imagine a couple of weeks backhen barack obama's was against the wall being pushed for a debt ceiling increase. was his first move? just like at basketball, it was to the left. [laughter] his first move was to get in front of a national audience and tell the people who were dependent on the federal government that they were not going to get their social security checks, that they were not going to get their benefits, but they were not going to get their medicare benefits. they have the hook. at the time that

margaret thatcher when she left the prime ministership of england said she was never able to accomplishhat ronald reagan accomplished never turned the tides of socialism, never able to turn it back like reagan was, reagan did and getting americans to believe in themselves not some government official to take care of them, but what thatcher said, she was never able to turn it around and she's pegged it right on, the british national health care system. i was in the green room at fox a couple of days before the vote on obamacare, they decided to jam it down the throats of the american people and i was with juan williams, and i said to juan, what are you doing? you guys are committing political suicide by forcing this down the throats of the american public when they don't want it. he said let me tell you what the obama administration told me, quote, we believe obama, we believe that americans love entitlements and once we get them hooked on this entitlement, they will never let it go. >> boo. >> kelly: that's former pennsylvania senator rick santorum speaking today at the iowa straw polls

and we reject the state that, in margaret thatcher's words, she said a state that takes too much from us in order to do too much for us. we will not stand for that any longer. [ applause ] we're dismayed at the injustice that nearly half of all americans don't even pay any income tax. and the liberals out there are saying that we need to pay more. we are indignant about leaders who do not listen and spend money faster than they can print it. in america, the people are not subjects of the government, the government is subject to the people. [ applause ] and it's up to us. it is up to us to this present generation of americans, to take a stand for freedom. to send a message to washington that we're taking our future back, from the grips of the central planners who would control our health care, who downgrade our future and micromanage our lives. it's time to limit and simplify the taxes in this country. [ applause ] we have to quit spending money we don't have. we need to get our fiscal house in order and restore our good credit. and we will repeal this president's misguided, one size f

the question is, i mean, was england post-gender with margaret thatcher? indira gandhi, was in the a post-gender when bolivia elected its first working class president, where the post-class? i mean, it is a reflection of the dichotomy. the movement -- you cannot deny the accomplishments of the movement. the human rights movement, which we need to begin talking about more, and malcolm x began to increasingly before he was assassinated, but the thing is, these smokescreens get thrown at us, and we fall over and over again. happen with clarence thomas in a certain way, right, you know? in a more evil way, many of us have gotten comfortable because rock is in the white house, but he cannot be most effective unless we are on his ass, right? we voted, so i will go home now, and see you in four years. the republicans, the tea party, all these folks, they are on his ass, so if you believe that all that there is power in that position, and there are folks that make convincing arguments about a black face on white supremacy, so there is complications, but can progre

reagan began his reaganomics revolution in the united states within a few years of the time that margaret thatcher began a similar transformation of the united kingdom now our nations are among the least equal societies on earth and in both nations the results are showing in ways they are not in countries like most of the rest of europe which never drank the factual reagan kool-aid of massive tax cuts breaking the back of organized labor and cutting government services that would help people break the cycle of poverty. the man who literally wrote the book on the consequences of this situation is professor richard wilkinson co-founder of the equality trust equality trust or get u.k. and co-author along with kate pickett of the brilliant book the spirit level greater equality makes societies stronger professor wilkinson welcome. to the summary i thought thank you thank you very much for joining us to use spent thirty years studying wealth inequality around the world of the of the developed nations the u.k. and the us. seem to have the highest rates of wealth inequality are among the four highest wha

what margaret thatcher said, she was never able to turn it around.ational health-care system. i was in the green room at fox a couple of days before the vote for obamacare. they decided to jam it down the throats of the american public. i said to juan williams, "water you doing? " you are committing political suicide bank he said that me tell you what the administration told me. "we believe obama. we believe that america's love for entitlements, and once we get them hooked on this entitlement, they will never let it go." [crowd boos] just imagine a couple of weeks backhen barack obama's was against the wall being pushed for a debt ceiling increase. was his first move? just like at basketball, it was to the left. [laughter] his first move was to get in front of a national audience and tell the people who were dependent on the federal government that they were not going to get their social security checks, that they were not going to get their benefits, but they were not going to get their medicare benefits. they have the hook. at the time that they ne

as margaret thatcher said, the problem with socialism, sooner or later you run out of other people'srnment run out of other people's money. what are they supposed to do? >> greg: how close did we get to the line in wisconsin when you saw people pushing and shoving over that mess? are we just a couple of years away? >> dana: even the looters themselves are saying it's not about the cut. i think we should listen t to the sound byte that we have. >> what made you angry? >> i'm out of money. this is our pay back. the police aren't doing anything. it's lack of freedom. do whatever you want today. >> what have you been doing tonight? >> doing what i want. >> greg: that was gwyneth paltrow, actually. >> bob: let's talk quickly here about the tweets that are going around among rioters. they're trying to cut that down. i note we're happy about the twiter, tweeter, whatever you call it. >> kimberly: you can tell you're on it. >> bob: i don't tweet and i don't twit. but the point is that social media, we're all happy about it in the arab spring, right? all excited about it. now we want to shut

she has clarity of vision like margaret thatcher. >> sean: should have married her.alk about the name-calling. oh, we have one other. joe biden to gabby giffords. woman got shot in the head. it was a great moment when she showed up the other day. the crack head club? this is how we refer to gabby giffords? >> it's unfortunate he would characterize her in that way when she makes a great comeback, looks strong, and everybody is glad to see her. >> use some tact. >> i bet his wife and boss wish they had a seven-second delay button for joe biden. >> sean: they tried it on another network. it didn't work out well. don't believe when i have a 35-second delay in radio. so i think in the end here the big loser in all this is president obama. in this sense, first of all, he's indecisive, he's not a leader. all the attention of the country, whether you like the deal or don't like the deal, was focused on the fact that this president spent beyond any -- far beyond what any other president in history has spent. i think is now a huge liability for him. >> yeah. that's why the tea

the margaret thatchers? i think it's missing. and ali, when you talked about the bad news today, you were exactly right, but there's other bad news, as well, unfortunately. the housing numbers were pretty lousy. you mentioned manufacturing. i mean, it's hard to look at anything right now that's pointing in a very positive direction. >> the interesting thing was both of you guys opposite ends of the political spectrum do agree that aggregate demand will be the solution. if we get more people working, more people paying taxes, more buying goods, and that's ultimately probably our best solution out of this. >> well, is this a presidential problem? an obama problem? among others? >> well, i think we're in a vicious cycle right now. i mean, workers are consumers, consumers are workers, consumers are 70% of this economy. and if as workers they are worried about losing their jobs or have lost their jobs, if their wages are dropping and median wage continues to drop, and their homes continue to drop in value, then obviously they're not g

and we reject the state that in, i think, margaret thatcher's words, she said, a state that takes too much from us in order to do too much for us. we will not stand for that any longer. [ applause ] we're dismayed at the injustice that nearly half of all americans don't even pay any income tax. and the liberals out there are saying that we need to pay more. we are indignant about leaders who do not listen and spend money faster than they can print it. in america, the people are not subjects of the government. the government is subject to the people. [ applause ] and it's up to us, it is up to us to this president generation of americans to take a stand for freedom, to send a message to washington that we're taking our future back from the grips of these central planners who would control our health care, who would spend our trush sher, who downgrade our future and micromanage our lives. it's time to limit and simplify the taxes in this country. [ applause ] we have to quit spending money we don't have. we need to get our fiscal house in order and restore our good credit. and we will r

and we reject the state, that margaret thatcher's words, she said a state that takes too much from us in order to do too much for us, we will not stand for that any longer. >> that was just a little bit of rick perry entering the race. a lot of argument being made that he poses perhaps the greatest threat to michele bachmann's candidacy. both of them being very conservative. we are going to hear from her a little bit later on. she's somebody with a lot at stake today in ames, iowa, and our special live coverage of the straw poll will continue next on msnbc with a little look at the iowa state fair. if you've recently signed up for medicare or will soon, you're starting a whole new journey. and, like many people, you're probably wondering, where do i go from here? consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. call now for a free information kit and guide to medicare to get started. basically, medicare only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. a medicare supplement insurance plan helps cover some o

where are the ronald reagans, the margaret thatchers, the strong figures talking about growth? i think it's missing. that's one component of it. by the way, ali, when you talked about the bad news today you were exactly right. but there's other bad news as well unfortunately. the housing numbers were pretty lousy. you mentioned manufacturing. it's hard to look at anything right now that's pointing in a very positive direction. >> the interesting thing, though, both of you guys opposite ends of the political spectrum do agree that aggregate demand will be the solution. if we can somehow get more people working, more people paying taxes, more people will be buying goods. and that's ultimately probably our best solution out of this. >> is this a presidential problem? is this an obama problem among others? >> well, i think we're in a vicious cycle right now. workers are consumers. consumers are workers. consumers are 70% of this economy. and if as workers they are worried about losing their jobs or have lost their jobs, if their wages are dropping and the median wage continues to d

the two that he actually quoted were margaret thatcher and calvin coolidge.ere people that paid attention to that and the number one word no one paid attention to in his speech. farmer. people liked that he played up being a farmer. >> calvin coolidge is back. only in america. >> that's the big challenge for perry. is he electable or is he an he echo of the election we lost last time. george bush is really the guy barack obama beat. if barack obama continues to fall like this in the polls, if perry does start to move up and demonstrates electability, this is a tough two-man race. >> we'll see how this one plays out, alex. >> jobs ksz jobs, jobs. we'll see how it plays out. fascinating day today. >>> we'll flip the page when we come back. a huge drop in his support among white voters. next, two key voices from obama 2008, tell us the president's bus tour everyone other recent steps teach us about 2012. [ woman ] welcome back, jogging stroller. you've been stuck in the garage, while my sneezing and my itchy eyes took refuge from the dust in here and the pollen

margaret thatcher famously said when gorbachev took power in russia, i can do business with this man. you do business with the republican leadership. >> i absolutely can do business with them. the issue is not whether i can do business with john boehner. the issue is if john boehner and i are able to come to an agreement, can he sell it among his fellow republicans inside the house of representatives. so far at least that's proven to be difficult. >> reporter: have you spoken to him since that deal fell through? >> i did speak to him obviously we had to get at least a deal done to avoid default which we did. but that's not good enough. >> reporter: was that relationship damaged because of the failure of that to work? >> you know, i it raises questions as i said as to whether the speaker is able to move his caucus to take tough decisions because i know that i'm willing at least to go to my party, go to my fellow democrats, and say to them, you know what? even if there's some things that you think aren't good short-term politics, this is good for the country. we should be willing to go

she has a bit of margaret thatcher in here and ignoring this and focusing on the issues gracefully done. at the end of the day, this is not so much an issue about feminism. you wouldn't have done this if she was a guy. this is about elitism. there was a group of people in washington and new york who think the people that cling bitterly to guns and religion and have ideas like balancing the budget, they are unenlightened and they are laughing at the old. >> i wouldn't say to the republican primitive, i would call it a foreign idea. more than anybody. i looked at that. >> that's not true actually. >> 15 minutes and maybe somebody else seeing something and i don't need to defend news week, but she looked already to me. i didn't see it as any kind of a texas thing. it was a photo and it looks -- she's an attractive woman. i didn't see it. maybe others do. i tried to find it, but i couldn't. >> ask mary what she thinks and get back to me. appreciate it very much. as always. anger over a government shut down. today lawmakers may pay the price in an election that may have large national implic

final comment -- margaret thatcher when she left said she was never able to accomplish what ronald reagan accomplished in america -- to transform a society to believe in itself again, which reagan did, and and this march toward socialism. the reason was the british national health-care system. weightism gentleman, do not degeneration after -- ladies and gentlemen, do not be the generation that he gave up freedom. stay, and fight for freedom. thank you, the blessed. -- god bless you. [applause] >> bofa like you were treated fairly in the debate last night that -- do you feel like you were treated fairly in the debate last night? >> we fight for every moment you have. when you get one question in the first hour, you have to fight for the second. we got more towards the end, we have to scrap for them. >> it is called a soapbox. you just heard the comments of former senator rick santorum, one of the eight participants in last night put the debate. coming up, will hear from congressman ron paul, and then later from former minnesota governor tim pawlenty s. c. stempel to live coverage continues

what margaret thatcher said famously, he would rather see the poor get poorer than any successful personis not hard to create job. barack obama is idealogical unfit to embrace the policies that create jobs. we know how to create jobs. it is not difficult. lower taxes, get burden off private sector. put people back to work. rick: josh, i know you want to jump in. i hear you we're out of time. we'll have you both back because this is debate just getting started. thanks very much, josh block and rick tyler. >> thank you. jenna: we've seen a lot of partisan bickering coming out of washington lately is probably a bit of an understatement but local levels politicians manage to put politics aside for greater good of their community. it is producing some result, big results in fact in places like greenville, south caroline. jonathan serrie looking at this story live from atlanta. john that? >> reporter: jenna it appears to be a bipartisan combination of fiscal conservatism and strategic government spending keeping greenville's economy moving forward even during the recession. this summer while t

final comment -- margaret thatcher when she left said she was never able to accomplish what ronald reagan accomplished in america -- to transform a society to believe in itself again, which reagan did, and and this march toward socialism. the reason was the british national health-care system. weightism gentleman, do not degeneration after -- ladies and gentlemen, do not be the generation that he gave up freedom. stay, and fight for freedom. thank you, the blessed. [applause] >> i am carol hunter, politics editor at the des moines register. our next speaker is representative ron paul, the congressman from texas. he is seeking the republican nomination for the presidency. representative paul. >> thank you very much. [applause] thank you very much. i am glad you are out this morning. i was just wondering, how many will be in ames tomorrow? that was good. maybe we can get a few more of you to come as well. most people no white candidates are in iowa this week and what is going on tomorrow. it is delightful to be here and attending the fair. enjoying the weather as well having come from texas

they are continuing to use that take off on the margaret thatcher saying obama isn't working with themployment line. they are going to make it their signature in months ahead. >> some people read your story yesterday, they can suggest the weird thing about mormonism. anything to that? >> you are right, certainly people read it that way. who knows if it's the word they are going to use. they recognize they are running in very tough times. there are going to be personal and jonathan martin and ben smith reported they studied the bush-cheney campaign against john kerry, a president running with a tough record went negative. they got up and said how can we go after john kerry. they are running the bush-cheney playbook here. >> sam, what is your take on this? >> i love politics. this is so stupid. obviously, they are going to go after mitt romney's character. it's what politics are about. romney is going to complain because that's what they do. it's crocodile tears. >> it's tough. it's "hardball." i understand that. sure, i actually think, i mean, i remember when the last time i ran, i'm s

of us loathe him -- [laughter] mckenzie captured the thatcher years and mirrored exactly what margaret thatcher was inflicting on the british public, in my view inflicting on the british public. but it just had an incredible sense of self-awareness, of surety. we back our troops, we do this we go here, you know? nothing was too much trouble. they had a -- and the last newspaper that, actually, the last popular tabloid, the last red top that tried to educate its readers, that tried to lift its readers out of what it saw as the gutter and educate them rather than just entertain was mirror, and "the sun" shot past it. >> do not educate the people. it does not sell people. >> no, there's no point in it. >> what a proud message. what a -- here's a man toiling for free schools, and there's an editor who says do not educate people. close the school down at once, have them read "the sun." [laughter] [applause] >> is that right, toby? >> no. i think -- >> very cruel. [laughter] >> i think the problem is if journalism becomes wholly professionalized and journalists become part of the establishment, then