i think margaret thatcher said, i like germany so much, i think there ought to be two of them. [laughter] risks but weme needed to go ahead and it worked. >> margaret thatcher's national security advisor tells the story about having gone to a meeting between cole and thatcher. after they came out, she said, charles, he's just so german. [laughter] >> let's talk for a moment about someone who is "so german" in the best sense of the word. the one who represented the west, chancellor cole. how would you evaluate his role in the run-up to the moment of and the aftermath of the fall of the wall? >> if chancellor cole and president bush hasn't been on the same wavelength, german unification would never have happened. those two individuals more than anybody else made it happen. we had the reluctance of france, the u.k., and the soviet union. chancellor cole came to camp david in february of 1990. right? >> that's right. >> we had sort of a coming to jesus session. he said, i want your help in unification. he said, fine, you're all for it. and we want to know from you you're not intere

> so there were some risks in there, but jim said we need to go ahead and it was worked. >> margaret thatcher's national security advisor tells a story about having gone to a meeting between cole and thatcher and after they came out that thatcher turned to him and said, "charles, he's just so german." >> let's talk for a moment about someone who is so german in i think the very best sense of the word. the one who represented the west of the two, chancellor kohl. how would you evaluate his role in the run-up to the moment of and the aftermath of the fall of the wall? >> if chancellor kohl and president bush hadn't been on exactly the same wavelength, german unification would never have happened. those two individuals more than anybody else made it happen because we had the reluctance of france and the uk and certainly the soviet union. chancellor kohl came to camp david in february of 1990. i think that's right. >> that's right. >> and we had a sort of a come to jesus session up there where he said i really want your help in unification and we said fine, we're all for it, but we want to know fro

erman i think margaret thatcher said i like germany so much, i think ought to be two of them. some risk but we needed to go worked. d it >> the national security advisor ells the story about having gone to a meeting between cole and thatcher. came out, he said charles, he's just so german. talk for a moment about german" in is "so the best sense of the word. he one who represented the west, chancellor cole. >> if chancellor cole and hasn't been on the same wavelength, german happened.n never those two individuals else cture than anybody made it happen. we had the reluctance of france, uk, and the soviet union. chancellor cole came to camp of 1990.february right? >> that's right. jesus.ad a coming to he said i want your help in unification. he said fine, you're all for it. to know from you you're not interested in a eutral germany in the heart of europe and you're not interested in a germany leaningestward. you're going to support us in making sure that the unified germany is a member of the north atlantic treaty organization. he said i will. both leaders lived up to it and don

tuesday by the british national archives show the remarks were made to late british prime minister margaret thatcher. the two met in japan in 1982. the document quotes him as saying he and china's late supreme leader deng xiaoping agreed that the two countries should cooperate on the basis of their major common interests, and leave aside differences of detail. suzuki says they both agreed to maintain the status quo over the senkakus without discussing the matter concretely. and he told thatcher the issue is effectively shelved. she was due to negotiate with china over the future of hong kong a former british territory, at the time of the conversation. the document says suzuki persuaded her to hold direct talks with deng on the basis of his own experience. a senior japanese foreign ministry official denies the existence of any such deal between japan and china. he told nhk the ministry has not confirmed suzuki's remarks. he said there has never been any agreement with china to shelf issues regarding the senkakus. and he said there's no change in the government's position that the islands are an inher

jobs were destroyed three times under them than it was under margaret thatcher. she's sitting there demurely is the only one who has privatized hospitals. and they dare to lecture us pitching the hospital the only hospital proo vatized by the labor party. inquality high under labor and an economy destroyed under labor. >> my constituents of women would have been delighted to hear the deputy prime minister support because people in wimbledon know it's the only one corrected. >> i've been worried because there have been talks about that the deputy prime minister wants to be a hidden tax. after he answered the question one that can't be true. confirm his loyalties of the long economic plan for people in wimbledon? >> i of course, whole heartedly agree with him that we must stay the course in order to finish the job and finish it fairly. he perhaps will know that the long-term youth claim account in his constituency has fallen just in the last year by a full 14% that's extraordinary achievement. and he knows behind you that it is simply not fair or justifiable to app

one was of president bush and margaret thatcher, one with gorbachev, ronald reagan, the standard presidentialolitical portraits. but in the middle, about twice as big, three times as big was a picture of george h w bush -- of george h.w. bush was a picture of joe dimaggio and ted williams. there was a wonderful picture of each of them, and he explained that he awarded them some kind of presidential recognition and they had taken the picture in the rose garden. each had signed it. i said, what a great picture. and i meant to just as a photograph, it was superb. these spaces that are indelible. two weeks later, a big tube arrives at our home -- it was a picture. he gave it to me. in a letter, in the accompanying letter this wasn't a nice little note, this was a real letter. he explained that each of the three had signed 33 of the prints. they each get to keep 33 of the 99. joe, who always professed to play only to the money, sold his. [laughter] but here he has got 303 pictures and he gave me 1 -- not only was that extremely thoughtful and nice, but that is a historic treasure. it is worth a lo

stormed-- when cameron , he didyears ago something that margaret thatcher and tony blair had never donewill growth happen? >> i fear not as fast as any of us want. we have moved in the crisis phase to what feels like a long and drawn out chronic. of slow growth. balls speaking to francine lacqua. breaking news? >> yes, just this morning we are finding out that they are acquiring friends life. they will buy friends life for 5.6 billion pounds. aviva and friends life have reached a packed. the friends life shares will get new aviva shares in the proposed purchase values each friends life share. aviva 15% to the closing price. 340 -- a premium to that gets you three headed 70 pence. -- 370 pence. aviva management saying this deal secure their position as the leading insurance business. scrambling in orion are they? that was on the annuity business and what more changes will he make in the legislation coming up? >> will have a conversation shortly with a pensions expert. back to british politics, the man ed balls wants to replace is a shadow chancellor. among other measures he could signal

when david cameron stormed out of the pack summit a couple of years ago he did something that margaret thatcher blair and john major had never done, to walk away. this blackmail politics is not something we want to be part of. we need to reset our relationship. we can do firm partner and a good partner. in a constructive way. i don't think it is possible for david cameron to be that prime minister for britain. the best way one would argue to keep the u.k. within the eu is for the e to grow, one will that happen? as any ofnot as fast us want as we move from the crisis phrase it feels like a long and drawn out chronic. of slow growth. -- chronic period of slow growth. >> i sat at my desk yesterday and watched a whole host of research notes pouring own on u.k. political uncertainty and how it was set to drag down the value of the pound. much lower. i'm happy to say one of the authors of those notes joins us right now, hans reddick at morgan stanley. great to have you with us. and you/yourrecast forecast aced largely on developments in u.k. politics, my first question for you is why now? we had a f

manufacturing jobs were destroyed three times faster under them than they were under margaret thatcherhis was the party -- in fact, the shadow health secretary, sitting there demurely, is the only man in england who has ever privatized an nhs hospital, and they dare to lecture us. hinchingbrooke hospital -- the only nhs hospital to be privatized by the labour party. inequality higher under labour, privatization of the nhs higher under labour, and an economy destroyed under labour. >>my constituents will have been delighted to hear the deputy prime minister support last week's excellent autumn statement, because they know that it is the only credible plan for economic recovery. they have been worried about scurrilous rumors that he wants to raise taxes and impose a homes tax in the next parliament, but after his answer to question 1, that cannot be true. will he now confirm his loyalty to the long-term economic plan, which is bringing jobs and growth to people in wimbledon? >> of course, i agree wholeheartedly with him that we must stay the course in order to finish the job, and finish

>> meryl streep selfishly took the role of margaret thatcher without halferring it to paul giamatti. went a long way for that one. >> terrible. that was a hike through the wilderness. jed did you dye yaw, -- jedediah, will you hate tweet this or love tweet it? >> i have never seen "peter pan." last week it was revealed i have never seen "star wars" or "star trek. " i imriew up in a bubble. i have seen captain hook and it looks like somebody i may date. >> you like guys who have hooks for hands? there is a terrorist you may be interested in. >> no. i was going to make a dirty joke, so you will cut it anyway. >> absolutely right. may as well go to you, joanne. you have a background in theater so you claim every day. will you be extra supportive or extra critical because of this? >> it is a hard line. you know, i love that they are doing this now. i think that we need a greater appreciation of the arts but when you are doing classics like this and a lot of people have seen these and the iconic cast and how it is done. you are opening yourself up to this criticism. i don't like the hate

margaret thatcher ordered the war, but was not active on the battlefield. >>guest: indeed. it is not only women. you have to remember that the warrior class until the modern time, the warrior class was only an aristocratic class. class. the vast mass of the population were present to continually killing livestock, burning buildings, starving to death , dying of disease. and i think it is the powerless people of this world, the vast majority of the population who had been suffering from war. that still proceeds today. >>host: when you start in your book and write about the beginning of violence, you are talking about the fact that pre-religion there really was not anything called religion and that what took the place of what we now call religion was community and community rituals and that when people were battling the rock battling for religious reasons at all because there was no religion. the oxford classical dictionary tells us that there is no word in greek or latin that corresponds to the word religious or religion in english. words that we translate as religion is lik

i had the unenviable task once of correcting lady margaret thatcher on that. she looked down her nose at me and said oh, just so. carry on. acton also said this. he said that liberty is the political end of man, and that is true enough. the problem arises when we think that the total end of man is liberty, because liberty, after all, is a vacuum. i know in a liberty loving crowd like this, you might think i am pardon the expression. but in point of fact, think of liberty not as a virtue, not as the goal of our lives, that as the context in which we can negotiate the goal of our lives, and of course, the goal of all lives is truth. now, we will have different apprehensions and understandings of that truth, and we can have some vigorous debates about that , but it is not liberty itself. you do not want to grasp for an empty thing. you want to fill liberty was something. liberty gives us a context which we can fill with virtue or vice. i think this is an important 's heritage,movement in fact, i think it is one of the unique things that the founding of the united

i was once at a dinner with margaret thatcher, and she spoke and somebody had asked me to move a votef thanks for her speech. and i don't know what possessed me. i ended my vote of thanks by this quote from bismarck, and margaret nudged the man sitting next to him and said,"what's henry talking about? what -- what hem of what cloak is he talking about? "and the man said, "he's talking about a rather beautiful quote from bismarck." she said, "bismarck, the german? "and the man said, "yes." so thatcher said, "time to go home." [laughter] >> well, henry, thank you for acting at the outer edge of possibility. >> here are some of the programs you will find this weekend. sunday evening at 8:00, political reporters share stories about to being on the campaign trail with senator mitch mcconnell. on c-span2 tonight at 10:00, lewis on money in politics. sunday at 10 p.m. eastern, shane military's use of cyberspace to wage war. ,n c-span three, today at 2:00 a panel including and editor onm "the washington times" how ronald reagan's experience helped hone his communication skills to be a success

i was once at a dinner with margaret thatcher, and she spoke and somebody had asked me to move a votehanks for her speech. and i don't know what possessed me. i ended my vote of thanks by this quote from bismarck, and margaret nudged the man sitting next to him and said,"what's henry talking about? what -- what hem of what cloak is he talking about? " [laughter] "and the man said,"he's talking about a rather beautiful quote from bismarck." she said,"bismarck, the german? "and the man said,"yes." so thatcher said,"time to go home." [laughter] >> well, henry, thank you for acting at the outer edge of possibility. [applause] and i like that. >> you watching american history tv, programming on history every weekend on c-span3. forow us on twitter information on our schedule, upcoming programs, and to keep up with the latest history news. ringsh week, reel america you archival films that help tell the sf

i was once at a dinner with margaret thatcher and she spoke and somebody had asked me to move a vote of thanks for a speech and i don't know what possessed me, i ended my vote of thanks with this quote from bismarck. margaret nudged the man sitting next to him and said, what is henry talking about? what hem of what cloak is he talking about? and he said, he's talking about the beautiful quote from bismarck. she said, bismarck the german? and he said yes. thatcher said, time to go home. >> well henry, thank you for acting at the outer edge of possibility. [ applause ] i like that. e'

i was once at a dinner with margaret thatcher and she spoke and somebody had asked me to move a vote of thanks for a speech and i don't know what possessed me, i ended my vote of thanks with this quote from bismarck. margaret nudged the man sitting next to her said, what is henry talking about? what hem of what cloth is he talking about? and she said, he's talking about the beautiful quote from bismarck. she said, bismarck the german? and he said yes. thatcher said, time to go home. >> well henry, thank you for acting at the outer edge of possibility. [ applause ] i like that. >>> here are some of our featured programs you'll see this holiday weekend on the c pf span networks. saturday night at 8 cl:00 p.m. eastern, supreme court justice elena kagan and author glenn kessler on the 2014 awards. on c-span 2, saturday night at 10:00, senior editor damon root on supreme court activism. and sunday at 10:00 p.m. eastern, jonathan yeardsley who recently retired from "the washington post." and saturday at 6:00 p.m., president lincoln's 1864 re-election campaign. and sunday afternoon at 4:00

it is interesting how margaret thatcher was so apprehensive about a united germany. one would certainly suspect that she was thinking not just of world war ii, but germany and world war i. a big issue for her time. that reminds us of the first world war -- if you remember the wedding of kate and william, after the wedding, kate's bouquet was placed on the black slab, the unknown warrior in westminster abbey. that is the unknown soldier. it is a mark of tribute, a mark of respect. that tradition goes back to ,923, when the queen mother lady elizabeth, married the duke of york. as she left the abbey, her bouquet went on the slab as well. that is because she lost her brother in the first world war. her brother was killed in the first world war. the present queen's uncle died in the first world war. she never knew him. there was a lot of connection between that event and leading up to almost the present day. all right. i'm just going to speak about the u.s. legacy, or the legacy of the war for the u.s.. the u.s. is in the war for a short period of time compared to the re

team wrote a beautiful piece for the end of the year looking at the archives of margaret thatcher that were released. he took a way at her handwriting, the way she underlined things. she had this shorthand that her aides had to understand. if she put a squiggly line it was "i'm not so sure about this" and if she put a straight line under it it meant "yes." it is a beautiful story that you don't really hear about or see until the archives are released. >> i read through some of that is welcome and it is fascinating. especially how some of her aides interacted with her as well and how they had to read the tea leaves. >> hieroglyphics. >> that's right. and sometimes some of the decisions she made she had to reverse as well on the advice of her aides, right? >> and we have this fiscal record of how she thought. at one point she thought she needed a memo and she gave them permission to act on it, but they did not have a copy and it was in her famous and bad. they had to retrieve it so they could act on it. >> it is amazing how so many years later the iron lady still resonates. >> and americ

ronald reagan was a close ally with margaret thatcher.ee obama having an international ally that he's been close to and now pope francis working with the president bodes well for him too. it will depend on what the economy is like in his last day in office is how historians will judge him. >> let's go back to the russian point. you were pointing out the adventures in ukraine. vladimir putin annexed crimea and said deal with it. putin invaded ukraine and people were saying that putin equals strong and obama equals weak and now putin is bogged down in ukraine. his economy is totally tanking. is this the notion that obama is wiping the floor with putin or is that a tad overblown? >> well, maybe a tad overblown but it's looking like this. one of the problems is we live in a fast media age and people want instant gratification and action. if it shows that he had a vigorous response to isolate putin, i don't know what businesses wanted to invest in russia right now. and then he went to china and had a successful trip and surprised everybody wit

it's interesting now margaret thatcher was so opapprehensive about a united germany. one would suspect she was thinking not just of world war ii but germany and world war i. a big issue for her time. one final thing that reminds us of the first world war, if you remember the wedding of kate and william, after the wedding, kate's bouquet was placed on the slab -- black slab, the unknown warrior in westminster abby. that's the unknown soldier. as a mark of tribute, a mark of respect. that tradition goes back to 1923 when the queen mother was married. then just the lady elizabeth. she married the duke of york. as she left the abby, her bouquet was on the slab as well. that's because she lost her brother in first world war. so the present queen's uncle di died in the first world war. there's a lot of connection between that and that event and up to almost the present day. >> i'm going to speak about the u.s. legacy or the legacy of the war for the u.s. the u.s. is, of course, in the war for a rel toughly short period period. u.s. casualties are very low. no damage to the

. >> why margaret thatcher? >> i think her words as before themselves. she was a pioneer in her day. forted phenomenal things the women of not only her country but for the world as a whole. she took on people with grace and class. even people she disagreed with were laughing with her. she had a sense of humor and she really was an amazing role model of women everywhere, a perfect example of strong leadership and a strong woman, very good at taking on the evils of the world and evil men of the world. i think we saw that with the cold war. she definitely played a big role in my political perspective and i think she left a big mark on history as a strong, powerful woman. >> you have a warning at the front of your book -- i will read it. the vulgarity of many democratic leaders in the so-called women's rights groups this bookd them, contains language suitable for mature audiences only, or at least those with strong stomachs." why did you feel the need to put that out front? >> there are plenty of examples and stories in the book about democratic men from top

i'm thinking of ones we have, margaret thatcher, gold today mier, note he hadly bellicose and great leaderser one of them. i can't think of a lot of female world leaders historically that stand out. >> she did later, sandra in the speech -- >> she did. >> referenced a female leader. i think she was talking to women so she was pandering a little bit. using example how a woman leader able to negotiate better. >> of hundreds of peace treaties signed since early 1990s between or nations fewer 10% had female negotiators and fewer than 3% had women as signatories. >> look who our enemies are today. when you look at ones most focused on right now which we have many, islamic state, isis is ones we're most focused on, i don't really understand what she would lay as tapestry smart power talking with isis. how is that going to work? >> she is talking about trying to understand how does a person come from you know,lying in the u.k. because they have british accent. suddenly being -- >> beheading american journalist? >> what causes that and then i think the left would argue it is caused by oppression an

margaret thatcher? guest: i think her words speak themselves. just like my aunt mary she was a phenomenal did things for not oefpbl the treatment of her country but people with grace and class and if you watch that clip the people she disagreed with her.laughing with she's a sense of humor and she eally just was an amazing role model for women and perfect example of strong leadership and strong woman who was very good making her arguments and taking on the evil of the world world.l men of the i think that we saw that with the cold war. a big roleely played in my political perspective and think she's left a very good mark on history as a strong powerful woman. warning. have a many the vulgarity of democratic leaders and -- host: why did you feel the need out front? guest: there are plenty of at ples of democratic men local and presidential level engaged in sexually explicit with women against their will, sexual abuse, sexual of course the n women's groups who claim to be the ones who represent all women dress up in like costumes that are inapprop

it's interesting now margaret thatcher was so opapprehensive about a united germany. one would suspect she was thinking not just of world war ii but germany and world war i. a big issue for her time. one final thing that reminds us of the first world war, if you remember the wedding of kate and william, after the wedding, kate's bouquet was placed on the slab -- black slab, the unknown warrior in westminster abby. that's the unknown soldier. as a mark of tribute, a mark of respect. that tradition goes back to 1923 when the queen mother was married. then just the lady elizabeth. she married the duke of york. as she left the abby, her bouquet was on the slab as well. that's because she lost her brother in first world war. so the present queen's uncle di died in the first world war. there's a lot of connection between that and that event and up to almost the present day. >> i'm going to speak about the u.s. legacy or the legacy of the war for the u.s. the u.s. is, of course, in the war for a rel toughly short period period. u.s. casualties are very low. no damage to the

we're working on now is, of course, the berlin bn wall coming down.it's it's interesting how margaret thatcher was so apprehensive about a united germany, and one would certainly expect that she was thinking not just of world war ii, but germany in world war i. and a bigld issue for her time. one final thing that reminds us of the first world war, if you remember the wedding of kate and william. after the wedding, kate's bouquet was placed on the black slab, the unknown warrior in th west minister abby. that's their unknown soldier, a a mar of tribute, a mark of respect.raditi that tradition goes back to 1923, when the queen mother wase married. then just lady elizabeth, and ih she married the duke of york.as as she left the abbey, her bouquet was on the slab as well. that's because she lost her se e brother in the first world war.t her brother was killed in the first world war. the present queen's uncle died in the first world war. she never knew him. but the present queen's uncle died. there's a lot of connection between that event and even upt to almost the present day. all right. lorraine?

the same leaves and we can't afford and i gave the attempt to margaret thatcher when they put a lot ofexplosives into a room and there was no chance of ever killing her husband was so far away. and at the end of that i don't think they got anything out of it. i mean if things would have been different. the ones that work, call it terror if you like but a capable ssn is something that you have to worry about and you have to change your behavior. that is an obvious rule. not leaving your fingerprints on an assassination is also scary. blowing up the embassy in april, 1983. it certainly scared the fbi and the cia when they saw this complete exclusion. it destroyed the firing device. i mean, we knew what we were up against as opposed to bin laden who goes on tv it's not a form of the organization but he clearly wasn't as capable. >> you say that it's not a formidable organization, but the pentagon would say that's because we are taking their leadership out of the worthless territories and we tracked them down. >> qaeda was a pic of operation. and i'm just reflecting what people tell me. it

when david cameron stormed out of the stability pact summit a it is of years ago, something margaret thatcherny blair and others would never do to walk away. thought,ur partners that is blackmail. not something we want to be a part of. andeed to reset a relation show we could be a strong and good partner and say no when we want to. but in a constructive away. it is not possible for david cameron to do that. would argueway, one to keep the u.k. in the eu, the need to grow. when will that happen? >> i fear not as fast as any of us want. through the phase in the eurozone to what feels like a long and drawnout chronic period of slow growth. >> ed balls speaking to francine lacqua. tomorrow, the man in that ed we'll talk to secede tomorrow. it will be freezing. they should call it though winter statement. george osborne will discuss business and talk about his economic plan is working. what is really on the table going forward? what osborne is selling us, british business. let's talk to the chief economist of the residue of directors, james. good morning to you. let's start off with a what ed ball

he turned to president bush and he said and you stood for unification when others including margaret thatcher said we have 0 keep them divided. it was one of those moments in history when you saw three men with courage and vision had come together and they were so personal in their interaction. and it kind of gave me hope and we don't see a lot of that anymore. >> one amazing thing inning that newscast aside from you being the only broadcast anchor there, a huge win for nbc news if there ever was one, probably our biggest one in history is i was reading a sort of break down by the ep at the time, bill wheatley. he goes you asked for about 1 to 20 seconds at the end of the newscast to give a little essay, put it in the context of history. why was that important for you to do at that time, and how did you come up with that in the commercial break is how it was described? >> well, there were two things that happened. first of all it was such chaos, i couldn't hear myself. i was very well dressed in part because i had gone over there with one of my typical raggedy outdoor jackets and thought this

her name was margaret thatcher. there was an actor in hollywood who read it and credited it with changing his views. the message of that book was that government cannot make decisions. it's not that government is dangerous to freedom, but that in addition to that, socialism can't work because the government, even with computers, can't match the decision-making, diversity of millions of people who have to make decisions every single day. ronald reagan absorbed that message, and if there is somebody to whom i think he owes much of that philosophy, i think it is frederick hayek. he believed that, and there was an advantage in believing it. you see evidence of it today. we have an election coming up on november 4, and we focus on senate elections, but what has amazed me is that in one-party states dominated by liberal governors who try to do the kinds of things that reagan opposed, we have close races. the polls show within the margin of error that democratic governors or gubernatorial candidate in maryland, rhode islan

the pope meeting with both mikhail gorbachev and president reagan along with margaret thatcher.alph peters, good to have you with us. obviously different circumstances in many ways but this is a pope who is popular around the world, and is also a quite fearless individual it seems. >> there is no question pope francis is an admirable man. he may turn into a great tree forrist pope if they can overcome the vatican bureaucracy. the comparison with john paul and the fight against come anything just doesn't work. john paul ii had the ultimate home court advantage. while pope francis is playing the ultimate away game. pope john paul was a pol. he had the street cred. he knew the russians. he knew the psychology and he was literally preaching to the choir because east europeans were already convinced communism was a bad idea but didn't know how to get rid of it. martha: pe francis, his hope court is christianity and christianity is under fire in all of these countries he's traveling to. there is a need in this world for someone to speak out, for moderates to come together and fight ag

. >> i look at this time the dialogue in the fed and i go to this phrase by margaret thatcher, whichwe most concerned about within the gyrations that we see? away from oil. venezuela? russia? putin? applecartteve roach -- what will offset the steve roach applecart? >> i take the point that a lot of the oil producers like russia and venezuela are extraordinary pressure and this has for texas on policy and animation in ukraine and elsewhere. that is certainly unnerving to me. >> stephen lynch -- roach with yale university. datave a lot of economic coming up this morning starting with detail sales at 8:30 a.m.. had a all that futures are inching higher. the 10 year yield, a little change coming down and we are keeping an eye on crude oil. -- $61.30, up slightly yesterday. this is bloomberg "surveillance." let's get to the top headlines. we start with hong kong where pro-democracy protests are in the twilight. demonstrators there make their last stand. protestersing away who refused to leave. student leaders say they will remain until they are arrested. protest began 11 weeks ago. weiss,

we always started with otis shackleton, shackleton, eleanor roosevelt, margaret thatcher, martin lutherking and lincoln and churchill, but we always try to define the qualities that make a leader. there their are lots of them. perseverance, communication, vision, teamwork, trust. the last one on the list and the one that brings me back to tom is always character. it is an indefinable quality. quality. you cannot really put a specific definition to it, but people like lincoln had it. artists shackleton had it, joshua lawrence chamberlain from maine had it, eleanor roosevelt had it, and it involves a combination of qualities that i think tom embodies. integrity, intelligence, honesty, faith, belief in principle then daring to stand for principle. it is the hardest thing to teach, but the easiest thing to see. the reason i felt so privileged to get to know this man for such a short time is that he has shown me what character is all about. tom is one of the great joys of my life to have had these two years to get to no you, if only slightly. it is one of the great sadness is of my life that

in the one she is the anti margaret thatcher arrived do believe. thanks very much.inion and that of other millennials if you can encompass it all. on wall street there is considerable hostility to wall street for most sectors of society. what about youngsters? >> extremely. they would rather go to the dentist and listen to the big bank. i would rather listen to the big bank but millennials to not like wall street. stuart: i am astonished at this. it reminds the what happened after 1929. you don't remember is that. that was an awful stock market crash. wall street was a dirty word. people heeded wall street until the 1950s. heaven forbid we have the same thing today. >> fantastic parallel because that is why millennials don't like wall street. their frame of reference was the great recession and that was put on big banks. that wasn't the case. some of the legislation now there, at that is the millennial point of reference. that is likely for of the ten most hated brands among millennials a big financial institutions like citigroup, bank of america. stuart: a new surv

nile gardiner, director of the margaret that much everybody -- margaret thatcher center.y what the answer is, but the question was always where is north korea on nukes. how does this change things? >> well, i think it's a very significant development. this is a first trilateral arrangement between washington, seoul and tokyo with regard to intelligence sharing. in order to head off the threat posed by north korea's nuclear and missile programs. and since the first time the three countries have collaborated for historical and territorial reasons, the japanese and south koreans have resisted this kind of agreement in the past. but the development of north korea's nuclear program has been so rapid in its pace in recent years that the south koreans and the japanese now have decided to enter into this historic agreement which i think will be very, very important in terms of allowing the united states and asia to head off the north korean threat. leah: the rhetoric is always so forceful and saber rattling as well when it comes to nukes, do you think the north koreans could pote

the same leaves and we can't afford and i gave the attempt to margaret thatcher when they put a lot ofexplosives into a room and there was no chance of ever killing her husband was so far away. and at the end of that i don't think they got anything out of it. i mean if things would have been different. the ones that work, call it terror if you like but a capable ssn is something that you have to worry about and you have to change your behavior. that is an obvious rule. not leaving your fingerprints on an assassination is also scary. blowing up the embassy in april, 1983. it certainly scared the fbi and the cia when they saw this complete exclusion. it destroyed the firing device. i mean, we knew what we were up against as opposed to bin laden who goes on tv it's not a form of the organization but he clearly wasn't as capable. >> you say that it's not a formidable organization, but the pentagon would say that's because we are taking their leadership out of the worthless territories and we tracked them down. >> qaeda was a pic of operation. and i'm just reflecting what people tell me. it

manufacturing jobs were destroyed three times faster under them than it was under margaret thatcher.his was the party that it will health secretary sitting there demurely is the only man in eng hand who's ever privatized a hospital. and they dare to lecture us, hitchingbrook hospital, the only nhs hospital privatized by the labor party. inequality higher under labor. privatization of the nhs higher under labor, and an economy destroyed under labor. >> -- delighted to hear the deputy prime minister's support for the excellent state last week. as people in wimbledon know it's the only credible path for economic recovery. they have been worried because there have been some scurrilous rumors abound that the deputy prime minister wants to raise taxes and put a hinge tax next. that can't be true. would he today confirm his loyalty to the long-term economic plan creating jobs and growth for people of wimbledon? >> i of course wholeheartedly agree that we must stay the course in order to finish the job and finish it fairly. he perhaps will know that the long-term youth claimant count in his

. >> we have the basic law that was hammered out between margaret thatcher in the early '80s and we are now living with that. but the white paper came out when we were living in asia this last summer in june and that created the response that hong kong will. it would be nominated or qualified and i think that it was problematic in terms of how well interpreted the changes were made. in other words it took the trust that has been built up from number of years and the expectations on the part of the 6 million people in hong kong, and a diminished that sense of trust. so you have bad politics but you still have good economics. people have jobs, there is stability in the streets. and because of that my sense was the demonstrations only go so far because you've got people that charlie had a jobs unlike what we saw in the middle east in the era of the spring where you have bad politics and bad economics and you can turn the market very, very quickly in terms of the reformers. well while the demonstrators be back at it? they are quite different than those defined in other parts of china. they

the genetic flaw of the democratic party as margaret thatcher said that the problem of socialism is that eventually you run out of everyone else's money. you see that playing in the states. how do you balance with the state balance budget, the demands of medicaid versus the demands of teachers union and education? you are saying that the genetic flaw on the left. the genetic flaw on the left is that you elect -- the genetic flaw on the right is that you elect politicians to give up power and give that power back to civil society. until and unless the state of ohio start sending cincinnatus to washington instead of john boehner, you will have been tension between a conservative movement that believed in its heart in limited government and believes in its heart and civil society, and of the politicians who are forced to follow through. on those commitments. there are two things going on in the country that make the conservative movement stronger. if you want to call the conservative movement the tea them isne of technological. 80%ou go back to 19895, percent of the prophets were controlled

. >> host: prime minister margaret thatcher is reported to have said the problem with socialism is eventuallyople's money. that is the road america is headed down now. in pennsylvania you are on the air. >> caller: thank you for your program and your present speaker. i just adore everything he said. of little bit about myself. i am a registered libertarian. i have three pictures on my window sill. even says work is the only thing that dignifies a man. i think you for the things you mentioned that help me and my argument. people want to say the good old days are gone. they are not. you have given so many examples how we have improved and i hope my friends were listening. secondly please tell me how i can be more of an activist? how can i in spire that? might two children are grown up and very successful but are not activists and neither am i. although i am 91 to be more active. try to inspire that. the message you give with us, we have to aspiring everybody's. how can we be more active and get the people of office that are not doing their job? >> host: give us a quick snapshot of your life pri

. >> host: from the road to freedom, prime minister margaret thatcher is reported to have said that theis eventually you run out of other peoples money. that is the road america is headed down now. aida, pennsylvania appeared you were on the air. >> caller: thank you very much for your program and for your present speaker. i just adore everything he said. many tell you about myself. i'm a registered libertarian. every pictures on my windowsill. each says work is the only thing that dignifies the man and i thank you for the things you've mentioned to help me in my argument and people say the good old days are gone. you've given so many examples of how we've improved and i hope my friends were listening. secondly, please tell me how i can be more of an activist. how can i inspire that although my two children are grown not been very successful. but they are not activists and neither am i. i want to be more active. i want you to try and inspire that. it's a message you get with us. we have to inspire everybody. get the people i bought this not doing their job. >> host: ada, give us a quick