a lot of writers, margaret walker really came in and loved her. vivian harsh on other hand she was called the lieutenant, okay? i won't even tell you why. you can imagine. she was more from the old social elite, okay? her family was from the old settlers club in chicago. she had a tendency to be stand offish but was passion about her special negro collection. >> where did the money for her family come from? >> money is not even issue. old settlers club was people that settled in chicago from the very beginning. it was a status that you had, you know, just like if you could read and write back in the day you had a status as opposed to having a million dollars. get the picture, okay? however vivian harsh did graduate from simmons college with a degree in library science charlotte may left the south ahead of danger, i put it that way. ahead of danger. came to chicago for a better life. she was married to joseph rollins in the army. she had a child. she started off at a hall right after vivian g. harsh. her passion and her love however was children. s

that was their meeting place so you could come in and listen to people like margaret walker and read their work. in that sense yes the public got a chance and a lot of people could not read and write so for him to be invited to an author's talk was fantastic. posted 1936 most african-americans here in the chicago area, what kinds of jobs that they have? >> guest: menial, labor, maids , selling newspapers. >> host: better than the south? >> guest: in the south remember at this point in time they had the bovine infestation and the new mechanization coming along so it's not a big job picking cotton because they have the machines that can do it. you have jim crow laws and you have lynching. yeah it was pretty much better to leave, you know and there are no jobs because people remember after world war ii sharecropping caiman which meant i've got to go to you to borrow money to write your land and borrow money to buy your land and so by the time the harvest came and i owe you my whole paycheck. what do i have to show for that whole year? plus two you mentioned langston hughes. i think of h

you could come in and listen to people like margaret walker who we study ande in read. in that sense, yes, the public to read it and got a chance. wor remember, were still talking about a lot of people who could not read and write. for them to be able to be invited where the author is reading his own work isadin fantastic. 1936, most african americans, what kind of jobs did they have? laborer, made, selling newspaper >> better than the southwest mark. >> while in the south, they had infestation and new mechanization coming along so it's really not a big job to pick cotton because they are machines that can do it. you have jim crow laws and lynching so it's pretty muchhi betterne to leave. there are no jobs because after world war ii sharecropping came in which meant that i have to go to you to borrow money and rent your lan and to farm your lad and buy the equipment to work your lan. by the time i harvest came in, i owed you my whole paycheck. what i have to show for that who whole year? >> you mention langston hughes. i think of him as ao sh new yor. >> i want to show