marge schott who had that alleged moment of racism when she owned the cincinnati reds. >> that was a tough decision to make. an older lady who obviously had some problems and who, the other owners, i don't think, wanted her around, they were probably happy something like this happened so they could push her aside. but when you head an organization like that, you have to deal with everything, we delt with marge schott, we got somebody to replace her. tavis: st. petersburg, florida. >> st. petersburg, they had, as you know segregated housing facilities and everything else when we went down there. the cardinals trained there. we couldn't stay with the team. so the cardinals finally were forced to get a hotel and they put all of us in the hotel and what happened there was that we all finally got to know each other. and this was about in 1962. and we ate together, the kids played together, the wives knew each other, and it made us a better teap. 1963, we came close, in 1964, we won. i think because we came close. the whites, the gibsons trk everybody were together in that period. tavis: w