your ex-wife was margo kiter's daughter. >> yes. we have now divorced. we have two kids. 10 and 7. where are they now? >> they are in livingston. charlie is in the hospital for having broken his arm last night. i'm at a loss forewords. i feel sad for him today. go back to the story of your father and being kind of lost. where you lived and where you went. >> my father ended up going to princeton. afterward and before, he was not, what you call princeton material. he was a football play under akron, ohio. he was recruited for the football team by several ivey league schools. he said he didn't note difference between them. he studied engineering wanting to have something practical incase his football career didn't work out. after he left, he moved to washington and became a patent attorney. my father reacted badly to corporate life and his ivey league education such that he moved our family to a tiny little farm well beyond the outskirts where we farmed with horses. i went to a public school with no real idea about the places he had been or the kind of places i was going to end up. h